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  Reply # 317141 11-Apr-2010 22:31
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Yes speeding is illegal and dangerous and totally not acceptable by public transport drives (including taxi), but then again, most of the drivers on motorway on North Shore doing 100-115km/h (I don't think it's good) and sometimes it's 'killing' when someone drives 90km/h on right line.

 

wazzageek: I'm come to the conclusion that unless you are speeding or drunk, one can do what ever they like on NZ roads.

 

Watching people go through red lights in front of mark police cars confirms this for me...


You should watch how tourists drive in Queenstown :)

They are very slow, bad indication when changing lines and turns, don't know what to do on round abouts :) don't give way when turning left (understandable) and again, they are so slow and cause traffic jams.

 

Auckland drivers are far better drivers then on South Island, sorry guys :) But that what I've seen after 2 weeks driving across South Island.




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  Reply # 317145 11-Apr-2010 22:39
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mentalinc: 
People travel 10Km faster than the speed limit as this is the tolerance level your future employer's allow without being ticketed.


This is a common misconception and completely in-accurate. There is no 'tolerance', its beliefs like this one that are the reason people continually exceed the 'speed limit' ("A limit is the greatest amount, extent, or degree of something that is possible").

Unless I'm missing some sort of irony or sarcasm? 

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  Reply # 317192 12-Apr-2010 07:20
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kingjj:
mentalinc: 
People travel 10Km faster than the speed limit as this is the tolerance level your future employer's allow without being ticketed.


This is a common misconception and completely in-accurate. There is no 'tolerance', its beliefs like this one that are the reason people continually exceed the 'speed limit' ("A limit is the greatest amount, extent, or degree of something that is possible").

Unless I'm missing some sort of irony or sarcasm? 


Explain why you dont get a tiket for doing 55Km past a speed camera (when not outside a school)?
Because there is a 10Km tolerance due to the inaccuracy of most speedos.




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  Reply # 317205 12-Apr-2010 08:13
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Why do people still believe that Speeding, the act of exceeding an arbitrary and unscientific number on a pole, causes accidents.

We should be applying COAST – Concentration, Observation and Anticipation resulting in Space and Time. 




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mentalinc:  
Explain why you dont get a tiket for doing 55Km past a speed camera (when not outside a school)?
Because there is a 10Km tolerance due to the inaccuracy of most speedos.


Yes, there is a 'tolerance' of sorts, due to the small fluctuations of speedos. Does this mean it is okay to speed? No. Does this mean you will never get a ticket for going over the speed limit but below the 'tolerance'? No.

From http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html

The current Police speed policy specifies that:



  • Drivers of vehicles other than heavy motor vehicles who exceed the speed limit by less than 11km/h will not normally be issued with an infringement notice providing their speed does not present a risk to public safety in the prevailing circumstances.



  • These principles do not constitute a mandate for drivers to exceed the speed limit. In some circumstances exceeding the speed limit by less than 11km/h will pose road safety risks.









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  Reply # 317216 12-Apr-2010 08:55
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wmoore: Why do people still believe that Speeding, the act of exceeding an arbitrary and unscientific number on a pole, causes accidents.

We should be applying COAST – Concentration, Observation and Anticipation resulting in Space and Time. 


While I agree with your COAST thing... Answering the question "Why do people still believe that Speeding,... causes accidents."

It's not only because it cause accidents (it may not cause) but the consequences of accidents happening while over that speed limit is what they are trying to curb.

Is it scientific? They probably wouldn't have the money to test every single spot of open road and public roads in the country, so there are "standard" values to be applied. That's all.




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  Reply # 317217 12-Apr-2010 08:58
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mentalinc:  
Explain why you dont get a tiket for doing 55Km past a speed camera (when not outside a school)?
Because there is a 10Km tolerance due to the inaccuracy of most speedos.


Yes, there is a 'tolerance' of sorts, due to the small fluctuations of speedos. Does this mean it is okay to speed? No. Does this mean you will never get a ticket for going over the speed limit but below the 'tolerance'? No.

From http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html

The current Police speed policy specifies that:




  • Drivers of vehicles other than heavy motor vehicles who exceed the speed limit by less than 11km/h will not normally be issued with an infringement notice providing their speed does not present a risk to public safety in the prevailing circumstances.




  • These principles do not constitute a mandate for drivers to exceed the speed limit. In some circumstances exceeding the speed limit by less than 11km/h will pose road safety risks.





Its all about discretion not a written tolerance:

Mr Pomeroy was driving near (note: near a school, not outside) a school on Naenae Rd, Lower Hutt, in February last year, when a speed camera snapped him doing 55kmh in a 50kmh zone.
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Mr Pomeroy's belief in a speeding "tolerance" was wrong, the decision said. "There is, as a matter of law, no tolerance above the prescribed limit. It is a matter of the discretion of police in each case."


Source:  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3461077/Judges-uphold-55kmh-speeding-ticket

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kingjj:
patatrat:
mentalinc:  
Explain why you dont get a tiket for doing 55Km past a speed camera (when not outside a school)?
Because there is a 10Km tolerance due to the inaccuracy of most speedos.


Yes, there is a 'tolerance' of sorts, due to the small fluctuations of speedos. Does this mean it is okay to speed? No. Does this mean you will never get a ticket for going over the speed limit but below the 'tolerance'? No.

From http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html

The current Police speed policy specifies that:







  • Drivers of vehicles other than heavy motor vehicles who exceed the speed limit by less than 11km/h will not normally be issued with an infringement notice providing their speed does not present a risk to public safety in the prevailing circumstances.






  • These principles do not constitute a mandate for drivers to exceed the speed limit. In some circumstances exceeding the speed limit by less than 11km/h will pose road safety risks.








Its all about discretion not a written tolerance:

Mr Pomeroy was driving near (note: near a school, not outside) a school on Naenae Rd, Lower Hutt, in February last year, when a speed camera snapped him doing 55kmh in a 50kmh zone.
and
Mr Pomeroy's belief in a speeding "tolerance" was wrong, the decision said. "There is, as a matter of law, no tolerance above the prescribed limit. It is a matter of the discretion of police in each case."


Source:  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3461077/Judges-uphold-55kmh-speeding-ticket



The fact he was near a school is what made the 55Km "rule" kick in.
Again the future employers come to the rescue. 250m on each side of the school is techinically not outside the school so the rule will still apply. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html
"From February 2007, Police will strictly enforce the speed limit within 250 metres on each side of a school's boundaries. If you drive past a school at 55 km/h in a 50 km/h area, you will be ticketed"

Great opinion piece about car crashes: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10637354








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  Reply # 317226 12-Apr-2010 09:19
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mentalinc:
The fact he was near a school is what made the 55Km "rule" kick in.
Again the future employers come to the rescue. 250m on each side of the school is techinically not outside the school so the rule will still apply. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/speed-kills-kids.html
"From February 2007, Police will strictly enforce the speed limit within 250 metres on each side of a school's boundaries. If you drive past a school at 55 km/h in a 50 km/h area, you will be ticketed"

Great opinion piece about car crashes: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10637354



I had a feeling you would come back with the location to the school. There was another story on stuff last week about a Christchurch man who received a speeding ticket for 55kph in a 50kph zone in Hokitika (not near a school) for his ute which he thought was stored in a yard in Phillisptown, it had been stolen. I can't find the link for this one though.

How many examples do you want of people actually getting ticketed within the "11kph tolerance"? Why does it make an difference if its near a School? I know the Police are targeting speeding in these locations but children live throughout the community.

 
Again the future employers come to the rescue.
- Take it they wouldn't employ you?

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  Reply # 317231 12-Apr-2010 09:35
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freitasm:
wmoore: Why do people still believe that Speeding, the act of exceeding an arbitrary and unscientific number on a pole, causes accidents.

We should be applying COAST – Concentration, Observation and Anticipation resulting in Space and Time. 


While I agree with your COAST thing... Answering the question "Why do people still believe that Speeding,... causes accidents."

It's not only because it cause accidents (it may not cause) but the consequences of accidents happening while over that speed limit is what they are trying to curb.

Is it scientific? They probably wouldn't have the money to test every single spot of open road and public roads in the country, so there are "standard" values to be applied. That's all.


Most accidents happen below the speed limit, due to inattention, fatigue etc.
Yes the faster you are travelling the harder the impact.....Yet we see children being killed when a car is reversing at very low speeds out of  drive ways.
We have different speed limits yet In some places I can drive past houses legally at 50 km and other places drive past houses legally at 60 or even 70km.

So do we stick to arbitrary numbers on a pole and look at our speedos so we don't go over the magic number
or do we apply COAST in order to survive.

Scientific ? Not in NZ...we have made our own 85% rule.

 




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  Reply # 317235 12-Apr-2010 09:51
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Dumb ads:
"Drive to the conditions and when they change reduce your speed"

So I'm driving in the pouring rain at an appropriate speed, the sun comes out, the road dries up - the conditions have now changed. So now I'm suppose to slow down?

They really need to work on some better ad campaigns, rather than blaming speed most of the time. Sure an accident at higher speed = bigger mess, but why not actually work on avoiding the accident in the first place?





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coffeebaron: Dumb ads:
"Drive to the conditions and when they change reduce your speed"

So I'm driving in the pouring rain at an appropriate speed, the sun comes out, the road dries up - the conditions have now changed. So now I'm suppose to slow down?

They really need to work on some better ad campaigns, rather than blaming speed most of the time. Sure an accident at higher speed = bigger mess, but why not actually work on avoiding the accident in the first place?



It's the sudden stop that makes the big mess, speed just makes the sudden stop messier.




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  Reply # 317254 12-Apr-2010 10:40
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On the subject of bad driving behaviour, Anyone had a letter in mail from police, or know anyone who has received one like this:

(note a friend of mine got one, he did not show me the letter, and he was a bit hazy recalling verbatim its precise wording)

"On xx of Feb 2010 (around 6/7 weeks prior to him getting the letter), you were observed not stopping for amber light on intersection of x and x streets at x.xxpm. You now have xx days to write to us explaining why you did not stop, or you could get up to a $10,000 fine...".

Well I guess that answered why I would regularly see an officer with no car, but holding a clipboard just lurking around various places, must be compiling a list of naughty people. But to me the whole thing seems silly, would anyone seriously remember going through an amber light, or any other similar thing, 6 weeks after its happened? I would drive through 100+ sets of traffic lights a day, which would be 4200+ sets of lights since the 1 time I got seen if I were to get a ticket. No way my brain could log all those insignificant events.

Whats the point in this letter, can anyone tell me? If he has been observed, why not send a ticket instead? To me asking for an excuse is pointless as one would not recall that specific event, and the only excuse could be something generic, or just an outright lie as an excuse.

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IlDuce: On the subject of bad driving behaviour, Anyone had a letter in mail from police, or know anyone who has received one like this:


Whats the point in this letter, can anyone tell me? If he has been observed, why not send a ticket instead? To me asking for an excuse is pointless as one would not recall that specific event, and the only excuse could be something generic, or just an outright lie as an excuse.


The Police don't seem really motivated to deal with RED light runners, are you sure it was about a yellow light where there is the defence that you were too close to stop safely?

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freitasm: You should be on the other lane regardless of speed anyway, unless passing. Were you passing? If so then the cab is wrong, if you were not passing, move over your big ego and to the left lane ;-P



No laws in nz about moving to the left and only in passing lanes is it suggested.
Though most of would like slower traffic to move to the left on multi lane roads or highways there is always someone determined to go slower than everone and stick it out in the right line and give you the finger if you dare use the horn!

It is just part of the beauty of NZ, no laws to stop passing on the left on motorways etc..sigh., no wonder we have problems with internet management also ;P

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