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  #439491 14-Feb-2011 21:42
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mattwnz:
pogostickconz:
gas - avoid it in the first place if you can - it will always be more expensive than power and will only get worse - we have it for hot water and cooking, i love it but its not cheap but getting a good deal with the bobtail deliveries (not returning cylinders not fully empty!) and paid to have cylinders for 10 years, which saves us around $100 a year


I remember when they used to advertise that it was a lot cheaper than electricity. But things have changed. I think we now import most of our gas, and we export most of the gas we produce which is strange


i still pay only 6c per kWh for gas.... versus around 22 to 25c per kWh for power this winter.  given that a heatpump is only some 3 times more efficient than our gas heating system, that equates to 18c for gas and 22c-25c for electricity for the same amount of heating . its also way faster to heat up the house - takes only a few minutes, which means you are burning less of your cents - and captial costs are cheaper for central heating systems. add to that the fact that its really nice for instant hot water heating and for cooking. 

the daily charge i pay for reticulated gas with genesis only works out to 43cents per day after their 'big gas thank-you' discount, so thats only some $15 or so per month. with several other providers its more like $30 per month.

so its not necessarily "always more expensive than power".  it depends how you use it, how much of it you use, and who you buy your services off.




 
 
 
 

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  #439526 14-Feb-2011 22:16
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The ability to get a decent kW usage out of gas is the biggest drawcard - most houses have pathetic supplies that cant even do 10kW of heating, yet most gas air systems are way more than that.

Fast to heat means you can just flick it on when you get home in the winter and the air is warm really quickly, whereas the hopelessly underpowered electric heaters will only have a small area warmed initially.

Based on being in friends houses with gas heating, it would be something I would seriously consider in the future.




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  #439528 14-Feb-2011 22:17
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pogostickconz: I keep an eye on whats around but powershop has worked for me, and i think being able to monitor daily usage is almost a saving in itself because you can see whats costing you and change it right away.

gas - avoid it in the first place if you can - it will always be more expensive than power and will only get worse - we have it for hot water and cooking, i love it but its not cheap but getting a good deal with the bobtail deliveries (not returning cylinders not fully empty!) and paid to have cylinders for 10 years, which saves us around $100 a year


Last I checked, powershop didnt get the daily or hourly data from the meters, just the same data that all the other powercos work off. Has that changed?


I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 



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  #439533 14-Feb-2011 22:23
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I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 


Ok, they said before on twitter that they had limtied access to the readings from them and I was going to have to enter the details myself - good to know it has changed.




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  #439560 14-Feb-2011 23:11
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polglase:

I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 


what area are you in?  i wonder if they will install smart meters for anyone, or just for customers in a specific zone...




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  #439561 14-Feb-2011 23:13
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polglase:

I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 


Ok, they said before on twitter that they had limtied access to the readings from them and I was going to have to enter the details myself - good to know it has changed.


http://powershop.co.nz/faq.html :
For smart meters – remote readings are taken:
ARC meters – daily
AMS meters – monthly




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I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 


what area are you in?  i wonder if they will install smart meters for anyone, or just for customers in a specific zone...


Mount Roskill, Auckland. 



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  #439630 15-Feb-2011 09:39
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polglase:

I phoned Powershop and they came out and installed a smart meter (daily readings) for free. 


what area are you in?  i wonder if they will install smart meters for anyone, or just for customers in a specific zone...


Mount Roskill, Auckland. 


perhaps i might request one too, and see where it leads.  I'm only just up the road in balmoral...




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  #439633 15-Feb-2011 09:46
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Regs: given that a heatpump is only some 3 times more efficient than our gas heating system, that equates to 18c for gas and 22c-25c for electricity for the same amount of heating.


Totally agree on this and also with previous comments that it depends on the situation.  In our current house it worked out far cheaper to replace the old gas heater in our lounge with a newer flued gas econoheater given the gas supply etc was already installed to that location etc.

The killer for me was the little talked about falling of efficiency with heat pumps when there is a large difference between outside air temp and your target indoor temp.  They quote up to 300% efficient but this is only when the outside temp is close to the inside temp.  Given I'm going to run this thing most during cold winters or hot summers, I'm not likely to be operating in the most efficient window and this skews the energy consumption calcs highly towards gas from a per unit cost angle.

(By contrast gas is roughly 85% efficient but consistently regardless of any temperature changes)

We went with Nova in our area (Manawatu) if this is of any use.  They offered 3 plans for each (electricity and gas) starting with no line charge but a high unit charge, through to full line charge but a low unit charge.  They allowed you to swap plans once per year too which I thought was good.

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  #439636 15-Feb-2011 09:52
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+1 for Nova

They were the cheapest option for us in Wellington.  Not sure if this is still the case.

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  #439641 15-Feb-2011 09:58
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the other, often often overlooked, "problem" with heat pumps is that they cool too. if you get hooked on the cooling functions then all of a sudden your summer months power bills start to match your winter months bills.... therefore making the heatpump way more expensive to run annually!




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  #439648 15-Feb-2011 10:10
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Regs: the other, often often overlooked, "problem" with heat pumps is that they cool too. if you get hooked on the cooling functions then all of a sudden your summer months power bills start to match your winter months bills.... therefore making the heatpump way more expensive to run annually!


Yes we have one modern building here on site that has the dubious honour of being the first to cost more to run during summer than it does during winter.

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  #439724 15-Feb-2011 12:05
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I spend more in summer than winter. Am using more of the house in summer so thats more lighting etc running, outdoor entertaining happening which is more dishes and outdoor lighting, the poolpump has to run for longer - way more loads of washing being done and dried, more showers even if it is with less hot water in the mix. Winter is just a single heater in one room typically, poolpumps down to 3 hours a day, and not having multiple changes of clothes during the day.




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  #439733 15-Feb-2011 12:20
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BraaiGuy:
Dratsab: I've just switched to Meridian as they're currently offering 20.63 cents/kw fixed for 2 years. I found the Powershop site quite vague, but from the calculations I've done I figure I'm going to between $5-$6 a month better off with Meridian.*


WOW, a wooping saving of 5bucks per month, enought to buy, ummm not even a small mac!!! LOL. Just shows how desperate people are getting with these ridiculous power prices here in NZ. Switching for a couple of $$$ does nothing, made that mistake before, a month or two down the road and the company you switched from is cheaper. We need real competition in this country, talking about a couple of $$$ savings is ludicrous. 


My rant for the day....  

Bit of a ridiculous rant as it indicates you either:
1. didn't read my whole post or
2. failed to comprehend it or
3. both of the above.

Did you miss the part where I say I'm currently on Contact and will be saving at least $22/month at their current prices (rising to a $31/month saving when their prices go up in March) by switching.  ON TOP of this I'll be $5-$6 ahead of Powershop prices...

Plus it's a fixed rate for 2 years so while other companies will go up in this time ('cause they sure as eggs won't come down) I'm probably going to feel reasonably pleased with myself.

On another note, one thing I did forget to mention - the price is fixed but there's no term contract, so I'm free to change at any point.

@vexxxboy - good point. Contact offer 12% prompt payment, Meridian only offer 10%, but given the per/kw pricing, it's still a hiding to nothing.

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  #439861 15-Feb-2011 15:42
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Dratsab:
BraaiGuy:
Dratsab: I've just switched to Meridian as they're currently offering 20.63 cents/kw fixed for 2 years. I found the Powershop site quite vague, but from the calculations I've done I figure I'm going to between $5-$6 a month better off with Meridian.*


WOW, a wooping saving of 5bucks per month, enought to buy, ummm not even a small mac!!! LOL. Just shows how desperate people are getting with these ridiculous power prices here in NZ. Switching for a couple of $$$ does nothing, made that mistake before, a month or two down the road and the company you switched from is cheaper. We need real competition in this country, talking about a couple of $$$ savings is ludicrous. 


My rant for the day....  

Bit of a ridiculous rant as it indicates you either:
1. didn't read my whole post or
2. failed to comprehend it or
3. both of the above.

Did you miss the part where I say I'm currently on Contact and will be saving at least $22/month at their current prices (rising to a $31/month saving when their prices go up in March) by switching.  ON TOP of this I'll be $5-$6 ahead of Powershop prices...

Plus it's a fixed rate for 2 years so while other companies will go up in this time ('cause they sure as eggs won't come down) I'm probably going to feel reasonably pleased with myself.

On another note, one thing I did forget to mention - the price is fixed but there's no term contract, so I'm free to change at any point.

@vexxxboy - good point. Contact offer 12% prompt payment, Meridian only offer 10%, but given the per/kw pricing, it's still a hiding to nothing.



Not talking about Contact, was responding to your statement at your ridiculous comparison of powershop with Meridian.  

As said previously, a wooping saving of 5 bucks. The point I was trying to make is that switching  in most cases wont have too much of an effect on your monthly bill, all suppliers are ridiculously overpriced. Hence my comment about you advertising the fact you saving 5bucks a month. Its laughable! It just shows what a poor country NZ is becoming and how your average middle class people are having to scavenge around for an extra buck here and there just to pay their electricity bills. Power in this country is ridiculously overpriced for average earners. What makes it worse, is that because of the climate its necessary to heat homes in Winter, adding even more to the monthly bill. 

You got 20.63 cents/kw for 2 years, it quiet good I suppose. My current standard power costs with powershop is 18.71c.unit. This was down to about 17c.unit in November, Sure it rises again in Winter, my last year average over winter was 20.71c.unit.  But then I am also not paying daily charges. So you may want to switch to powershop, u may end up saving an additional $2 per month, enough then to buy that bigmac. 


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