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  # 457891 12-Apr-2011 15:38
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I think there's an echo in here!

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  # 457912 12-Apr-2011 16:25
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I have heard (friends) that Air NZ planes that fly domestically are the only ones at this stage that are equipped to land in heavy fog.  They have advanced radars that can allow it.

This was last year (about August) so may have changed.

I won't fly Jet Star again.  My experience wasn't bad, but I prefer the service and support a bigger local player can provide.  I would rather pay $20 - $80 more to arrive on time and not be stressed by poor service.

My 2 cents anyway.

 
 
 
 


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  # 457919 12-Apr-2011 16:36
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Was supposed to fly out of Chch on a Jetstar flight bound for Melbourne.
It was delayed by 8 hours due to the plane having a massive dent in the side.
Apparently it was caused by one of the luggage dollies smacking into it.
They had to ring up the aircraft manufacturer (Airbus (A320)... *shudder*) to see if it was alright to fly.
In the end we did fly, and in the dented aircraft.

To be fair, it possibly wasn't Jetstar's fault. It could have been a dent from any number of previous airports. And they also did provide food vouchers for the Chch international food outlet.

But yeah, I will always fly AirNZ from now on if I can.

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  # 457924 12-Apr-2011 16:43
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I took a Jetstar flight this year when I was going to Wellington from Auckland for the NZNOG conference..

They had 2 people on the check in line and it took over an hour to go thru it.

By the time I got to check in it was actually past the time the flight was scheduled to take off . The flight was delayed until they could actually get everyone checked in.




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  # 457938 12-Apr-2011 17:28
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Jetstar (along with Pacific Blue and Qantas) also have a much higher minimum cloud base for operations from Wellington airport. This has also resulted in several occasions where Air NZ jet services have continued without issue while all turboprop and other jets have been grounded.


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Yes, its known as RNP, Reduced Navigation Performance and requires special kit fitted in aircraft. Similar situation in Queenstown. They are rolling out ADS-B transponder multilateration which allows the aircraft to maneuverer within the confines of the hills. Its also a paper work issue requiring authorization by CAA

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  # 457948 12-Apr-2011 18:00
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i see Close up is doing a piece on Jet Star tonight about wheelchair passengers and not in a good way




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  # 457953 12-Apr-2011 18:10
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc

I'm pretty sure I first saw this video somewhere here on Geekzone...

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  # 457958 12-Apr-2011 18:30
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Does anyone know what category of ILS is supported at Wellington airport?

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  # 457960 12-Apr-2011 18:35
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nzpilot1181: Yes, its known as RNP, Reduced Navigation Performance and requires special kit fitted in aircraft. Similar situation in Queenstown. They are rolling out ADS-B transponder multilateration which allows the aircraft to?maneuverer?within the confines of the hills. Its also a paper work issue requiring?authorization?by CAA


Shouldn't that be Required, not Reduced?!




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  # 457963 12-Apr-2011 18:46
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Yes sorry it should I'm think of RVSM, been a long day! From what I can gather category 1 ILS at NZWN.can't find information to suggest they offer category 2 or 3. I would imagine it would also be to do with the missed approach and climb gradients given the terrain around there I'm not suprised the decision altitude minimum altitude that the pilots can descend to is quite high

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  # 457969 12-Apr-2011 19:14
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Another echo here too: I'm never going to fly Jetstar, very poor experience the only time I've flown with them. Never again.




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  # 457973 12-Apr-2011 19:31
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It's unfortunate that Jetstar ever entered the domestic market here. Without them it may have been possible for Pacific Blue to continue their domestic operation, hence giving us some real choice.



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nzpilot1181: Yes, its known as RNP, Reduced Navigation Performance and requires special kit fitted in aircraft. Similar situation in Queenstown. They are rolling out ADS-B transponder multilateration which allows the aircraft to maneuverer within the confines of the hills. Its also a paper work issue requiring authorization by CAA


However I don't think it was relevant in this situation. Visibility was fine. It was the wind that caused the problem. And this is an Airbus 320 so it's not a prop plane.  Put it down to tough conditions and conservative Jetstar policies.

Whatever, I won't experience it again since I will never willingly fly them again.




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  # 457980 12-Apr-2011 20:04
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Landing visibility and cloud base are the same for all airlines operating into Wellington. There are differences with the cloud base requirements for departures. Jetstar operate under approvals from CASA which is the Australian CAA.

The ILS minima are lower than the RNAV approaches. RNAV approaches can be RNP approaches depending on the design criteria. They are RNAV approaches at Wellington. Anyone can have a look at the approaches at http://www.aip.net.nz.

Autoland is available to approved operators at Auckland Airport only (ie fog). Fog landings are not available anywhere else in NZ due in part to lighting requirements (eg. no centre line lighting in Christchurch).

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