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  # 473351 24-May-2011 10:49
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I think I've become a bit softer in my atheism lately. These followers should be shown pity, not ridicule.

I feel sorry for people who get sucked into anything like this, be it a religion, cult, following of psychics etc.




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  # 473418 24-May-2011 13:13
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Is this Harold Camping's first contact with the Press. Some say it is spam, it appears on YouTube. Perhaps there will be an interview tomorrow?

 
 
 
 




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  # 473438 24-May-2011 13:41
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Oh my, Harold now says here it's all going to happen on 21 October 2011! New Zealand Stuff website confirms this here.

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  # 473521 24-May-2011 16:42
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If you truly believe you actually consume flesh and blood at communion, you are not only mental, but seriously perverted. In spite of that and any number of equally silly notions, everyone is entitled to believe whatever they like, and everyone is entitled to be treated with basic decency and respect. I have no problem at all with fundamentalist ideas of god. I have a huge problem with people who make problems for me because of those ideas. Example: I'm a christian so you can't go shopping at Easter because that offends my religious sensibilities. Counterexample: I'm a christian so I choose to do the christian thing and stay home at Easter while everyone else goes shopping. We all get to do what we believe is right, no-one is forced to submit to someone else's beliefs, tolerance rules and everybody is happy. Except the christians, of course. What was their problem again?

 

 

 

 




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  # 473531 24-May-2011 17:06
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Rikkitic: If you truly believe you actually consume flesh and blood at communion, you are not only mental, but seriously perverted.


The concept of transubstantiation has always irked me.

Counterexample: I'm a christian so I choose to do the christian thing and stay home at Easter while everyone else goes shopping. We all get to do what we believe is right, no-one is forced to submit to someone else's beliefs, tolerance rules and everybody is happy. Except the christians, of course. What was their problem again?


Agreed. People's rights shouldn't be dictated by a minority, religious or otherwise, nor should a minority be forced to abide by things that go against their beliefs, unless it's at a cost to the greater good. I fail to see why the majority of the country should be told they can't do something because of the beliefs of a minority. Sure, there's the "respect" view, but I fail to see why such respect can't extend as far as letting me pop down to the supermarket to buy a bottle of wine to drink with easter dinner. If the minority doesn't want to drink as a matter of worship to their deity of choice, then so be it, I'd rather have my pinot noir.

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  # 473542 24-May-2011 17:25
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The thing that amused me in the video clip posted earlier was that some "believers" are now asking for their money back. I hope they have a receipt.

Did anyone see the film "The Invention of Lying" and draw a parallel?




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  # 473543 24-May-2011 17:27
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Rikkitic: If you truly believe you actually consume flesh and blood at communion, you are not only mental, but seriously perverted. In spite of that and any number of equally silly notions, everyone is entitled to believe whatever they like, and everyone is entitled to be treated with basic decency and respect. I have no problem at all with fundamentalist ideas of god. I have a huge problem with people who make problems for me because of those ideas. Example: I'm a christian so you can't go shopping at Easter because that offends my religious sensibilities. Counterexample: I'm a christian so I choose to do the christian thing and stay home at Easter while everyone else goes shopping. We all get to do what we believe is right, no-one is forced to submit to someone else's beliefs, tolerance rules and everybody is happy. Except the christians, of course. What was their problem again?

 



people can believe whatever they like,  but it seriously scares me to think that someone who believes in the rapture could actually be president of the USA and have the 'finger on the button' so to speak, and be able to create their own apocalypse.

there are plenty of other reasons why people who believe wierd stuff should not hold positions of power or authority too
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  # 473566 24-May-2011 18:34
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Did a bunch of posts just disappear without explanation?

I have no objection at all to moderation - but transparency is really essential.

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  # 473568 24-May-2011 18:40
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Amazing how much the deluded ramblings of one man can affect so many. History shows though that there will always be suckers to provide a soapbox for these guys.

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  # 473904 25-May-2011 13:32
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gzt: Did a bunch of posts just disappear without explanation?

I have no objection at all to moderation - but transparency is really essential.


The user requested their posts to be removed.

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  # 473905 25-May-2011 13:34
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the posts were raptured

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  # 473906 25-May-2011 13:37
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gzt: Did a bunch of posts just disappear without explanation?

I have no objection at all to moderation - but transparency is really essential.


As nate said, the posts were removed on request from the user who posted, and approval by the other party involved. No warnings were given.

If there was any reason for a public explanation, we'd have given that, as we've done before.




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  # 473933 25-May-2011 14:11
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freitasm:
gzt: Did a bunch of posts just disappear without explanation?

I have no objection at all to moderation - but transparency is really essential.


As nate said, the posts were removed on request from the user who posted, and approval by the other party involved. No warnings were given.

If there was any reason for a public explanation, we'd have given that, as we've done before.

That's cool as, no objection. But, I still think there is a need for some minimum ('explanation' was a bad choice of words on my part) notification/acknowledgement  after an event like that - something like "x posts were removed after considering a request from the poster" or the like.

And separately: Posts from this user were not the only posts removed. One of the posts removed was mine - I guess because (in part) it quoted this user.

In the ideal world some notification (preferably with a copy of the deleted item for rephrasing if desired) would be great. I'm guessing the existing moderator interface might not support these functions, and copy and paste to achieve all this would be tedious.

Again, I have no objection to moderation like this serving the needs of the geekzone community, just think there should be some kind of minimum notification/acknowledgement that a moderation event has occured.

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  # 473936 25-May-2011 14:15
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We moved into that recently when we added the "Post edited" marks - it makes it clear that someone (either the user or moderators) have changed something (without obviously showing what to third parties). We might implement something for deleted posts - but it's not a priority at the moment.




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  # 473942 25-May-2011 14:23
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Cool as. As always, thanks for the response.

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