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#474409 26-May-2011 13:59

jbard: But it this way, the local pub is looking for a new bar manger - he is offering barely above minimum wage, you need at least 5 years experience, prepared to travel at least 40mins in and out everyday and have all the correct licenses.

He got 500 applications - 300 of which were from Christchurch.(we are in Dunedin)

People are desperate for work.

Exactly some of the know alls can't seen to rationalise this.

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#474410 26-May-2011 13:59

blakamin: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx?search=1&mcat=5000-&sidebar=1&selected141=&140=15&141=&selected155=5069&154=5068&155=5069&153=&142=&144=-1&144=-1&sidebarSearch_keypresses=0&sidebarSearch_suggested=0

There's 2 just listed today!

Ever listen to the radio? Agencies want drivers/labourers all the time!

Plus a lot of companies don't go thru agencies for the cost! Why pay a company @$35 an hour for a driver they could hire for $17?

LOL one of those jobs is in Australia.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/jobs/transport-logistics/drivers-couriers/truck-ht/listing-372708926.htm

It would take 18 months to go from a drivers licence to a class 4 truck licence.
You need to have 6 months with class 1 to get a class 2 and 6 more for a class 3 and 6 more for a class 4.

Hardly unskilled minimum wage work there.

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#474411 26-May-2011 14:00

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sleemanj

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#474413 26-May-2011 14:00

blakamin: welly suburbs that are screaming for truck drivers.

You seem to have a thing for people getting jobs as truck drivers, might I remind a few things about truck driving:

1. you can't just jump in a truck and go, there's quite a lot of training involved in being licensed to drive a truck.
2. not everybody has the capability to succeed in that training
3. not everybody is legally permitted to drive trucks even if they did pass the training
4. truck driving is not an appropriate occupation for lots of people - family etc

This is a pretty specific example, but it does illustrate the whole "get a better (paying) job" that is bandied about, for some people, "minimum wage jobs" might frankly be about the best they can expect due to circumstances which they may not have much control over.

Incidentally, over the years I have observed that Geekzone has always been further to the political right than most nerd/geek focused websites (which tend to be more center-left politically), but this thread has quite surprised me in the extent of that.

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#474414 26-May-2011 14:05

we seem to be right off topic, the question was about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

I can't see how this could possibly lead to more jobs?

If you have $1 million budget for labour and have to pay 15% more doesn't that mean you have to employ less people?

blakamin

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#474417 26-May-2011 14:07

sleemanj:
blakamin: welly suburbs that are screaming for truck drivers.

You seem to have a thing for people getting jobs as truck drivers, might I remind a few things about truck driving:

1. you can't just jump in a truck and go, there's quite a lot of training involved in being licensed to drive a truck.
2. not everybody has the capability to succeed in that training
3. not everybody is legally permitted to drive trucks even if they did pass the training
4. truck driving is not an appropriate occupation for lots of people - family etc

This is a pretty specific example, but it does illustrate the whole "get a better (paying) job" that is bandied about, for some people, "minimum wage jobs" might frankly be about the best they can expect due to circumstances which they may not have much control over.

Incidentally, over the years I have observed that Geekzone has always been further to the political right than most nerd/geek focused websites (which tend to be more center-left politically), but this thread has quite surprised me in the extent of that.

1: Class 2 licence takes less than 6 months! Can be done IN A DAY at poly after you get learners
2: If you can't drive a class 2 truck , maybe you should stick to walking.
3: Why?
4: I have a family... I've also seen SINGLE MOTHERS who don't want to be on DPB drive trucks!

BTW, the hours for a lot of class 2 drivers are a hell of a lot better than, lets see, night-fill at a supermarket!

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#474418 26-May-2011 14:10

blakamin: 3: Why?

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/medical-aspects/docs/medical-aspects.pdf

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#474419 26-May-2011 14:11

$15 would help close the wage gap with Australia, something that National said it would do, but there hopes and dreams have failed them, maybe they should have actually gone out there and done something to make it happen.

The wage raise doesn't see much compared to the 33% Kiwisaver business tax that National has put on businesses.

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#474420 26-May-2011 14:14

blakamin: 2: If you can't drive a class 2 truck , maybe you should stick to walking.

Also, you just enhanced my point. Some people ARE stuck with walking. It's not their fault they drew the short straw in their genetic makeup.

4: I have a family... I've also seen SINGLE MOTHERS who don't want to be on DPB drive trucks!

And is this a good thing for the kids?

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#474421 26-May-2011 14:14

hellonearthisman: $15 would help close the wage gap with Australia, something that National said it would do, but there hopes and dreams have failed them, maybe they should have actually gone out there and done something to make it happen.

The wage raise doesn't see much compared to the 33% Kiwisaver business tax that National has put on businesses.

No it simply won't, how would it, it means the lowest paid workers get more while others get less.

I don't expect rational argument from people who believe in a welfare state like labour do.

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#474422 26-May-2011 14:16

hellonearthisman: $15 would help close the wage gap with Australia, something that National said it would do, but there hopes and dreams have failed them, maybe they should have actually gone out there and done something to make it happen.

The wage raise doesn't see much compared to the 33% Kiwisaver business tax that National has put on businesses.

Plus the voters were lied to about the Emissions trading scheme, Key also said he would not increase GST, and the voters were lied to about the anti smacking bill. Key ignored the wishes of the people on that referendum.

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#474424 26-May-2011 14:17

sleemanj:
blakamin: 3: Why?

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/medical-aspects/docs/medical-aspects.pdf

And most of those people shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car isf sh*t is that bad!

So what, no labouring either? Sickness benefit, maybe????

Obviously too sick to drive a fork lift or be a trolley-boy too!

Please, just stop making excuses, I just gave truck driving as an example of the fact you can up-skill if you want it... shame that most don't, and I dont see why I should have my living costs go through the roof to pay these people another $2 an hour for DOING NOTHING MORE!

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#474425 26-May-2011 14:19

sleemanj:
blakamin:

4: I have a family... I've also seen SINGLE MOTHERS who don't want to be on DPB drive trucks!

And is this a good thing for the kids?

Gotta be better for self-esteem than living on the DPB... Whanau, maybe?

I can tell you of one young lady who did it so her kids didn't end up the way her family did, on benefits!
She was so proud of herself and GOOD ON HER! her kids also have more now than they would've (unless she'd started dealing drugs)

What do you do for a living?

langers1972

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#474426 26-May-2011 14:20

hellonearthisman: $15 would help close the wage gap with Australia, something that National said it would do, but there hopes and dreams have failed them, maybe they should have actually gone out there and done something to make it happen.

The wage raise doesn't see much compared to the 33% Kiwisaver business tax that National has put on businesses.

This idea that we'll ever be on parity with Australia is bananas.

Australia is known as 'the lucky country' and that, in the form of it's mineral/mining industry, is exactly what it is and why it's such a powerhouse economically.

The only thing NZ does to the same extent commodity wise is milk a lot of cows and raise a lot of sheep and that ain't going to bring the massive wealth that Oz can with it's natural resources.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is, quite frankly, delusional

hellonearthisman

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#474427 26-May-2011 14:20

dickytim:
hellonearthisman: $15 would help close the wage gap with Australia, something that National said it would do, but there hopes and dreams have failed them, maybe they should have actually gone out there and done something to make it happen.

The wage raise doesn't see much compared to the 33% Kiwisaver business tax that National has put on businesses.

No it simply won't, how would it, it means the lowest paid workers get more while others get less.

I don't expect rational argument from people who believe in a welfare state like labour do.?

Who's getting less, no one is getting a wage cut?

And typical for a National to attack the person and not the policy.

This proposed wage rise is not a government handout, it's the Government stating what is fair.

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