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  Reply # 484512 22-Jun-2011 17:19
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Why do you think that only the rich benifit from those methods? there is no minimum income to be able to correct the overtaxation of people above the lowest tax bracket.




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  Reply # 484519 22-Jun-2011 17:25
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I dont think Salaries are doubled, they are higher for sure, but in places like brisbane are equal to Auckland. Taxes are not higher as well, they are very similar to our rates if you calculate it fully. 

wreck90: The Christchurch earthquake has contributed to the exodus to Australian.

John Keys government is one of the most popular , so I don't expect National are the reason.

My opinion is that the exodus consists of economic migrants, christchurch refugees, and foreign nationals who gain NZ residency with expectations of moving to Australia.

Remember, salaries are double or more for some professions. Although, the Australian tax rates are very high so high earners would take that into account.

The NZ herald has been advertising for GP's in Adelaide for $A450,000 salary. I don't think gp's are paid that well here, why not go?




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  Reply # 484527 22-Jun-2011 17:28
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So many graduate positions in Australia!

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  Reply # 484558 22-Jun-2011 18:38
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vamsee: I dont think Salaries are doubled, they are higher for sure, but in places like brisbane are equal to Auckland. Taxes are not higher as well, they are very similar to our rates if you calculate it fully. 

wreck90: The Christchurch earthquake has contributed to the exodus to Australian.

John Keys government is one of the most popular , so I don't expect National are the reason.

My opinion is that the exodus consists of economic migrants, christchurch refugees, and foreign nationals who gain NZ residency with expectations of moving to Australia.

Remember, salaries are double or more for some professions. Although, the Australian tax rates are very high so high earners would take that into account.

The NZ herald has been advertising for GP's in Adelaide for $A450,000 salary. I don't think gp's are paid that well here, why not go?





I believe salaries may be double in some cases.

Taxes are actually higher in Aussie for higher earners --- you earn over $180k  and I you pay 45%...that is really high compared to here. 


 

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  Reply # 484560 22-Jun-2011 18:39
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ajw:
wreck90:
Linuxluver:
robjg63:

It seems Mr Key has a nice smile so he gets voted for.

You missed out how the family silver also gets lined up for sale when National is running short on ideas.
In my opinion electricity generation in particular is too vital an asset to ever sell into private hands.



This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible. They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.

Thieves and saboteurs.

They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't. 

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.



And vote for who then?

Labour even though Goff is a lost cause.

The voters got shafted on the anti smacking referendum, Key lied about GST, and key said he would not pass the foreshore and seabed legislation unless it had enough support. Guess what most submitters didn't want this legislation to become law.




The country would be worse off under Labour at this stage.  Labour are responsible for a lot of the mess we find ourselves in today.

Who Then?  

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  Reply # 484562 22-Jun-2011 18:41
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TheUngeek: Yeah Labour running it into the ground and hiding it....

Labour under uncle Helen was far far more dishonest that National under Key.
Hell we are still dealing with dodgy deals she cooked up, BMWs, Americas Cup anyone?

No point moaning about it. National will win this year, They have 0 competition



Puhlleeeze,the BMW's were about the only good thing labour did.

They were close to a 0 cost deal--BMW gained much publicity as payment.  

The BMW's get thrashed , but once the facts came out  people changed their tune. 

Labours real sin was to increase the size of government to match the boom years....now, the boom is over but we still have a boom-years govt.  

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  Reply # 484563 22-Jun-2011 18:42
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Ragnor:
Linuxluver:
This particularly annoys me. National worked hard to puff up the debt as much as possible.


I am disappointed they are running a deficit.

They should have used their early political capital to make the tough cuts to the white elephant spending.  The bribes that a desperate labour threw out in their 3rd term eg : interest free students loans (after graduation), welfare where after DPB/housing allowance etc a single mother can get $700+/week - which is far more then entry level trade jobs pay, working for families (lets take money off people (tax) pass it through the govt sausage factory then give some of it back to them).


They cut taxes (just like Bush and the GOP did in 2001). The consequences have been similarly disastrous for the public accounts...as intended. This is why they didn't sell any assets in the first term...they needed time to CREATE the deficit they would use as the excuse to sell them.


Agreed cutting taxes without balancing the books by cutting spending sufficiently is insane.

If they are cutting taxes they should cut spending to balance the books. Tax cuts could have been funded by cutting spending in a number of ways eg: removing working for families rather than raising GST.


They claim debt is the reason for the sales....yet the amount hey plan to raise ($7Billion) won't cover the cost of their tax cuts for more than 15 months.

Then what? Doesn't matter...the state will have been raped, the taxpayers pillaged. The assets we currently all own will have been transferred to the top 1%.....and by the looks of it the Chinese state investment company. China clearly understands the value of investing state capital in assets...What a shame our own government doesn't.


Agreed, I'm not a fan of privatisation of natural monopolies which is still what each regional lines and generation company effectively are.

History shows in NZ that private natural monopolies can get away with too much for too long (see: Telecom).

It's a scam...and we're the dupes if we vote for them.


The majority of National's policies are still better than the majority of Labours policies imo.

Labour's poilcy comes down to tax rich pricks more and spend heaps, that isn't a sound policy.

The fact is the truely rich have well paid accountants and pay no income tax.  The middle to middle high workers already pay the majority of the tax burden, fair more than their fair share.  

Taxing the middle class moderately successful people more will just lead to even more going overseas.  Right now most of the friends I went to school with are overseas (Canada, Singapore, Hong kong, Australia, UK).

I'm actually a fan of flat income tax rate and a land or capital gains tax because this captures the super rich who cook their books legitiatemly via trusts and other vehicles in order to pay no income tax.

Unfortunately there are a large amount of MP's who are using (abusing) trusts and property investment so so you're not going to see a capital or land tax happen any time soon.



Both National and Labour are failures -- under their boring old voter friendly policies, NZ has gone from the richest country in the developed world  to one of the poorer. 

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  Reply # 484564 22-Jun-2011 18:43
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National always seems to come in after the good times have turned. I think it is largely bad luck, with the whole global financial crisis and the earthquakes. However they haven't really introduced any new ideas to get us out of this hole, and NZs private debt is huge. Really they should have introduced some form of property taxation, as NZ is largely an economy of people buying overpriced houses.

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  Reply # 484566 22-Jun-2011 18:50
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mattwnz:

 

National always seems to come in after the good times have turned. I think it is largely bad luck, with the whole global financial crisis and the earthquakes. However they haven't really introduced any new ideas to get us out of this hole, and NZs private debt is huge. Really they should have introduced some form of property taxation, as NZ is largely an economy of people buying overpriced houses.


Yeah, they need to get investing in other things as easy as buying a lotto ticket IMO. The entry to the sharemarket is too high for most people, brokerage etc costs discourage small purchases.

If you could invest in someone like F&P healhcare as easily as buying a scratch kiwi etc then I think more people would do.




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  Reply # 484634 22-Jun-2011 20:33
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And vote for who then? 



There is really only one party that has shown, over 20 years, any real ability to look at the evidence, make rational assessments and call for prudent action to meet future challenges.

The Greens.

Before you go off....

Sue B is gone.
Nandor is gone.

The people running the Greens now aren't the sort who antagonise and polarise people. They are capable people with solid rack records of credible action. They mean business and they can do the business.   

The BIG Issues? 

The Greens were warning about peak oil 10 years ago. Don Brash cackled in derision even as the we reached peak oil in 2005-6. National still doesn't get it. The ywant to spend $8 Billion on roads no one will be able to afford to drive on in 10 years time....but they are actively blocking better urban development and public transport that can scale to meet the demand that will surely come when petrol is $10 / litre. Labour got peak oil but didn't want to scare the sheeple by actually saying or doing anything.  They are better now, but not good enough. 

The Greens were talking about climate change 20 years ago. National is still in denial...as are many of their voters. They want to dig up lignite. The dirtiest, worst form of almost-coal around. Carbon emissions? They don't care. The taxpayer will subsidise their emissions-producing mates....and what a great way to put the taxpayer off paying for emissions.  It's just dishonest. 

I recommend voting for the Greens because they have actually been paying attention to what is going on the world....They are not one of the head-in-sand parties. But at the same time the Greens of today know people need jobs and the country needs to make what it needs to live. 

The Greens have been looking at new economic models that might work in a low energy future where more has to be done manually. The other parties aren't even thinking about it. The oil era is over. It's been more than a century since the world lived in any other era. 

We now know the oil fields of the world is in increasingly rapid decline. The IEA is all but begging OECD governments to conserve oil. Our government hasn't got a clue. 

I can't vote for people as clueless as National clearly are. 

But it takes a voter who isn't head-in-sand to see that and act on it by voting for the one party who has actually had a clue all along......and been rubbished for it.  

It is human nature to deny bad things...or to accept responsibility for the consequences of one's actions. Kiwis are no different.

It's just a shame their kids...and their kids...and their kids...will suffer for it.

If you can't, for your own sake, vote for the only party that has been right on the biggest issues our civilisation faces in the century ahead....then do it for the kids.  

People with short attention spans will think this is a rant. It's actually the exec summary for a reality a lot people still haven't got their head around.

If they don't, they will be roadkill on the highway of life when these megatrends blow the current economic models sky high.

Voting for National is a vote to be roadkill. Australia is no life boat. They are short on water and will be left struggling when they find they can't grow enough food. Give it 20 years. 




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  Reply # 484642 22-Jun-2011 20:43
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The problem with supporting the Greens is that you'll end up with a Green/Labour coalition which will continue to grow the government bureaucracy and accept people having children that they can't afford. 

If it's not a Green/Labour coalition then it'll be a Green/Labour/Mana/Maori/United/NZ First coalition. Actually, that could be quite fun. 

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  Reply # 484650 22-Jun-2011 20:49
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I will leave this comment for others to have fun wth


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  Reply # 484651 22-Jun-2011 20:53
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Whoa what? The greens?! Peak oil already reached? Greens no head in sand?

Ah I get it! Master Troll!

I for one am hoping that finally the greens will slip below the 5% thresh hold and be out of our hair.

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  Reply # 484703 22-Jun-2011 22:17
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alasta:
If it's not a Green/Labour coalition then it'll be a Green/Labour/Mana/Maori/United/NZ First coalition. Actually, that could be quite fun. 

Yep... Cost of Government would increase
Immigration would decrease
Social spending would increase
Tax take would decrease
Foreshore law would be ripped open (again)
And Winston and Hone would control the soundbite spectrum
Greens would be frustrated because oil exploration contracts currently in place would show there is viable oil in our EEZ, but they'd make sure we were able to sit tight on our lignite as we watched Oztraila dig pollutants out of their dust to ship to the northern hemisphere.

We're a bit player in a Global economy over which we have no control, no matter whose in the top chair. We aspire to be European (or American) in our wealth and lifestyles, but want free trade with our Asian neighbours so we can buy the low cost items we decide we need. Fortunately we're a producer and those countries need our produce, but we're happy to flog it to them raw because we can't compete with them on adding value.

We're middle everything, middle wage, middle politics, middle class, middle of the ocean, middle earth.
Our greatest asset is our remoteness but it also means we're out on a limb... as a country we're a thumb. Useful enough to be seen in and about it all, but insignificant enough that the world body can get by without us.



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  Reply # 484707 22-Jun-2011 22:21
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alasta: The problem with supporting the Greens is that you'll end up with a Green/Labour coalition which will continue to grow the government bureaucracy and accept people having children that they can't afford. 


If it's not a Green/Labour coalition then it'll be a Green/Labour/Mana/Maori/United/NZ First coalition. Actually, that could be quite fun. 


 

I would be far happier to vote green, if they had a policy to support the current government, whoever that be. A bit like the Maori party. I do like some of their policies.

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