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  Reply # 491421 9-Jul-2011 14:34
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The article does not raise any evidence for the existence or non-existence of alien ufos from outer space.

This is a fairly good executive summary:

from article: The government’s historical engagement with such fare can most thoroughly be discussed with regard to the Department of Defense (DoD), which has worked extensively with Hollywood in exchange for the right to edit scripts for sixty years with the principal aim of encouraging recruitment and retention of personnel, as detailed by Suid in his extensive tome Guts and Glory (2002) and by journalist David Robb.

Add to that some examples of obvious and heavy handed media control in the 50's and 60's.

Leaving aside the 50's and 60's examples, essentially the article is saying that film makers are getting access to military facilities and assistance with employing military hardware in their movies - and in return they agree to give the agency they are dealing with (Dept defense, CIA, etc) script revision rights and the opportunity to influence public (and international) perception about that agency, more or less for whatever purposes they choose.

While I find it a bit creepy that u.s goverment agencies have wide creative control over hollywood scripts, and it makes me think about some of the movies I've seen recently, essentially this seems to be a tradeoff that some film makers are choosing to make rather than something that they are forced into.

Beyond this, the article kind of infers that because these agencies also use this access and creative control to manage perception of alien UFO's - alien UFO's therefore must exist.

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  Reply # 491451 9-Jul-2011 16:46
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cgrew: So what do you make of the perception or agenda the Global Elite pose through mass media?

Do you not think that they have input on this sort of thing? Or Hollywood in general?


Well who is this "global elite?" Because it seems to change depending on what conspiracy site you go to. I've seen everything from the Bilderberg group to inter-dimensional satanic shape-shifting reptilian pedophiles.

There's a swathe of footnotes to go through on that site you posted, and that's time I just don't have. 
What solid, verifiable evidence is there that "they" are meddling in Hollywood? I'd expect there to be censorship of some sort, and a certain amount of bowing to the whims of financial backers. 

I fail to see why "they'd" be meddling in movies with regards to UFOs, considering scant evidence for their existence outside of failings of human perception and natural phenomena. 




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  Reply # 491871 11-Jul-2011 09:09
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Conspirisies aside, there's a reasonably good run through the various scenarios here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox




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  Reply # 491880 11-Jul-2011 09:39
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You know, it is quite possible that there is plenty of life out there.
But that the problem of getting from one source of it to another is simply not solvable.
Or we are in a area devoid of other life while other areas are closer together and they are crossing between planets.
We may never know.

Personally I reckon there is life out there. Just don't ask me where or in what form!!

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  Reply # 491896 11-Jul-2011 10:12
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Yeah, I would say it is a case there being life out there.

However, space distances being as big as they are those distances have not been crossed.

I would surmise that this has a lot to do with the required resources for getting 'out and about' in space.

We have only been to the moon a few times in the 60's. Since then there has simply been no compelling reason to expend the resources needed. Hell, the 'compelling reason' we had in the first place was cold war pride which is a bit silly when you think about it.

In order to bother 'a spacing' just for the fun of it a society would need to have a resource base and tech level we can barely comprehend. I would say this is like telling isolated amazonian tribes, "Oh, man walked on the moon, what of it?"

It is not a matter of the physics making inter-stella space travel impossible as such but that the cost benefit analysis just doesn't work out.

Good news is that it also makes inter-stella conquest unlikely.

Of course the less like humans you imagine aliens to be the more likely it is they would or have visited earth. For example, if you could hibernate or travel in 'egg' form for 20 years with no problem and not age then the time taken to travel long distances would not be a such bother.

Any thoughts on that?

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  Reply # 491905 11-Jul-2011 10:29
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At this time I personally favor the belief of the old time Maori religion. Papatuanuku (earth mother) fertilised by Rangi (sky father).

The scientific evidence for comets and meteors impregnating earth with elements of life is not yet overwhelming, but growing all the time.

This vastly increases the odds of life existing on other planets - you don't have to have all the elements there to start with.

Also, comets and asteroids bombarding the earth make a much better opening for a science fiction movie than amoebas dividing.

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  Reply # 491921 11-Jul-2011 10:52
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crackrdbycracku: In order to bother 'a spacing' just for the fun of it a society would need to have a resource base and tech level we can barely comprehend.


I'm taking this quote out of context - I know your point is really about interstellar space travel.

But - it is interesting to note our society has developed to the point where we are about to begin space travel just for the fun of it. At the moment we are talking just outside earth's atmosphere, but it is not hard to imagine technical development which will take us to the moon at least. This will enable a lot of research for a very low price.

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  Reply # 491931 11-Jul-2011 11:01
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gzt:
crackrdbycracku: In order to bother 'a spacing' just for the fun of it a society would need to have a resource base and tech level we can barely comprehend.


I'm taking this quote out of context - I know your point is really about interstellar space travel.

But - it is interesting to note our society has developed to the point where we are about to begin space travel just for the fun of it. At the moment we are talking just outside earth's atmosphere, but it is not hard to imagine technical development which will take us to the moon at least. This will enable a lot of research for a very low price.


I definitely hope so.

I think one of the saddest things about human development is that we went to the moon in the 60's and never used it as a step to go further. 

I understand I'm not an american tax payer so I don't have to vote for the guy building a space ship versus the guy wanting to build a few hospitals but ever so I would like that space ship built.

Space based tourism leading to interstella space travel would be awesome. 




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  Reply # 492705 12-Jul-2011 23:01
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To me it shouldn't be a matter of building massive rockets to travel across the Galaxy. I prefer the SETI (cant post the link yet) approach where we use very sensitive radios, lots of powerful computers and keep searching till we find something that sounds like an alien conversation.

Surely that could be done for a fraction of the budget of NASA. And if we do find something then wow - that would change everything..



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  Reply # 492835 13-Jul-2011 12:23
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Well who is this "global elite?" Because it seems to change depending on what conspiracy site you go to. I've seen everything from the Bilderberg group to inter-dimensional satanic shape-shifting reptilian pedophiles.


None of the above. I think you will find given the right amount of research that the real "Inlighted Ones" are part of an occult, and have been so for hundreds of years.   

There's a swathe of footnotes to go through on that site you posted, and that's time I just don't have.
What solid, verifiable evidence is there that "they" are meddling in Hollywood? I'd expect there to be censorship of some sort, and a certain amount of bowing to the whims of financial backers.


vigilantcitizen.com is not a consipracy sight? It looks in to the propaganda and symbolism an "elite agenda" encourage in to all sorts of media/music/movies and most significantly - politics. There is enough evidence out there to conclusively back-up "their" so-called agenda, especially to do with the likes of Hollywood.

I fail to see why "they'd" be meddling in movies with regards to UFOs, considering scant evidence for their existence outside of failings of human perception and natural phenomena.


What do you make of this? 

http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/lady-gaga-the-illuminati-puppet/




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  Reply # 492841 13-Jul-2011 12:43
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Um..............

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  Reply # 492847 13-Jul-2011 12:51
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I guess you live by the quote in your sig....



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  Reply # 492851 13-Jul-2011 12:55
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And Lady Gaga isn't the only one... Can't call this a coincidence?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/symbolic-pics-of-the-week-070911/



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  Reply # 492860 13-Jul-2011 13:18
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cgrew: A...call this a coincidence?


YES.

Coincidences happen. Often. Amazing ones too.




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  Reply # 492861 13-Jul-2011 13:24
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cgrew: vigilantcitizen.com is not a consipracy sight? It looks in to the propaganda and symbolism an "elite agenda" encourage in to all sorts of media/music/movies and most significantly - politics. There is enough evidence out there to conclusively back-up "their" so-called agenda, especially to do with the likes of Hollywood.


So, they're suggesting "they" are colluding to mess with media for some "elite agenda" (which is... what?)

Sounds like a conspiracy site to me.

Where is this "evidence"? It's a pretty extraordinary claim, so I'd expect some pretty solid evidence.

cgrew: None of the above. I think you will find given the right amount of research that the real "Inlighted Ones" are part of an occult, and have been so for hundreds of years. 


Oh puhleeeease! That sounds like a really bad Dan Brown novel. With the right amount of research (ie: selective link mining) you can find "evidence" for alien skulls, reptilian overlords, nazi flying saucers that hide underground and psychic powers and much, much more.




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