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  Reply # 494526 18-Jul-2011 10:41
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freitasm: Just to note that you can rent Dr Who episodes on their Facebook page now (incl New Zealand).


One tv show, via facebook.... only available for rent???

What's the point...



It's a test. If enough people show interest and actually rent it, perhaps other BBC shows follow and then the other TV networks decide to do it?

Of course, those who don't want to pay (but keep saying "if it was available I'd rent it" just to justify their piracy) won't go for it anyway.

   




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  Reply # 494527 18-Jul-2011 10:42
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PaulBrislen: So far as I can tell (and IANAL) this is quasi-legal (or rather quasi-illegal) at best. You're agreeing to a contract and then circumventing the clauses relating to location. As someone else has pointed out there usually are clauses about "thou shalt not view from another geography" in these kinds of services and you're getting round them.

Having said that, that's a T&C not a law so it's a civil issue not a criminal one, unless our Copyright Act has something in it about circumventing DRM solutions and that's worded broadly enough to capture secure VPN tunneling to another country.

But I'm not a lawyer, just a television watcher, and I'd like to actually pay the producers of my content for their labours. It's just that it's so damned difficult.


This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).

It's no different than you buying Zone 1 DVDs off Amazon and have them shipped here.

It's very different than you downloading the content from unauthorised torrents.

     






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  Reply # 494528 18-Jul-2011 10:44
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freitasm:
simon14:
freitasm: Just to note that you can rent Dr Who episodes on their Facebook page now (incl New Zealand).


One tv show, via facebook.... only available for rent???

What's the point...



It's a test. If enough people show interest and actually rent it, perhaps other BBC shows follow and then the other TV networks decide to do it?

Of course, those who don't want to pay (but keep saying "if it was available I'd rent it" just to justify their piracy) won't go for it anyway.

   


If it was a show i was interested in and if it was available to buy (not to rent), that's when i would start buying.

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  Reply # 494537 18-Jul-2011 10:49
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freitasm: 

This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).

It's no different than you buying Zone 1 DVDs off Amazon and have them shipped here.

It's very different than you downloading the content from unauthorised torrents.

     


So are you saying it isn't illegal for us in NZ to set up a VPN and pay for a US Netflix account?


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  Reply # 494541 18-Jul-2011 10:51
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Of note but put it in the rumours bin at the moment, (a workmates sister works for the bbc). The BBC will be offering the iplayer worldwide soon (~3 months), it will be a subscription based service with 2 tiers, tier one will be something like $10 a month with ads, and the premium service will be slightly more $ but minus the ad's.



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  Reply # 494548 18-Jul-2011 10:57
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freitasm: Buy why? How many times are you going to watch it really?


I started to collect all the seasons of Family Guy on DVD. I got to season 3 but have stopped because i hate the hassle of DVD's and waiting for loading times and fiddling around with multiple discs.

Shows like Family Guy/Simpsons/SouthPark/The Office are great just to have available to watch.... even if you've already seen them before.

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  Reply # 494618 18-Jul-2011 12:11
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garvani: Of note but put it in the rumours bin at the moment, (a workmates sister works for the bbc). The BBC will be offering the iplayer worldwide soon (~3 months), it will be a subscription based service with 2 tiers, tier one will be something like $10 a month with ads, and the premium service will be slightly more $ but minus the ad's.


This isn't a rumor it has been known about for sometime: https://iplayer.bbcworldwide.com/


Big question is how much content will they put on, only bbc made content or everything that airs on bbc and how long will content be online for.  


I use a VPN to watch iplayer and it is a fantastic service in the uk. 

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  Reply # 494620 18-Jul-2011 12:14
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garvani: Of note but put it in the rumours bin at the moment, (a workmates sister works for the bbc). The BBC will be offering the iplayer worldwide soon (~3 months), it will be a subscription based service with 2 tiers, tier one will be something like $10 a month with ads, and the premium service will be slightly more $ but minus the ad's.


This isn't a rumor it has been known about for sometime: https://iplayer.bbcworldwide.com/


Big question is how much content will they put on, only bbc made content or everything that airs on bbc and how long will content be online for.  


I use a VPN to watch iplayer and it is a fantastic service in the uk. 



I think one would have to assume that the only content they can put on it for a NZ audience will be content that is not already locked up by existing providers in NZ (Sky, TVNZ etc)

i.e. either rubbish, or very good, but very niche, shows.

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  Reply # 494622 18-Jul-2011 12:15
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freitasm: Buy why? How many times are you going to watch it really?


I started to collect all the seasons of Family Guy on DVD. I got to season 3 but have stopped because i hate the hassle of DVD's and waiting for loading times and fiddling around with multiple discs.

Shows like Family Guy/Simpsons/SouthPark/The Office are great just to have available to watch.... even if you've already seen them before.


Using Handbrake it's easy to copy DVDs you own onto the PC.




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  Reply # 494625 18-Jul-2011 12:18
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simon14:
freitasm: Buy why? How many times are you going to watch it really?


I started to collect all the seasons of Family Guy on DVD. I got to season 3 but have stopped because i hate the hassle of DVD's and waiting for loading times and fiddling around with multiple discs.

Shows like Family Guy/Simpsons/SouthPark/The Office are great just to have available to watch.... even if you've already seen them before.


Using Handbrake it's easy to copy DVDs you own onto the PC.


New Zealand copyright law allows format shift of audio CDs only, not video. Using Handbreak to copy a DVD to your PC, even for backup purposes is illegal in this country.

 




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  Reply # 494628 18-Jul-2011 12:26
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simon14:
freitasm: Buy why? How many times are you going to watch it really?

I started to collect all the seasons of Family Guy on DVD. I got to season 3 but have stopped because i hate the hassle of DVD's and waiting for loading times and fiddling around with multiple discs.

Shows like Family Guy/Simpsons/SouthPark/The Office are great just to have available to watch.... even if you've already seen them before.

I could suggest that you format shift your own dvd's you buy to digital files and remove the annoying compulsory warnings and previews etc (as so many people do), but um.. format shifting for video is actually not legal in NZ.

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  Reply # 494632 18-Jul-2011 12:31
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freitasm:
timmmay:
Using Handbrake it's easy to copy DVDs you own onto the PC.


New Zealand copyright law allows format shift of audio CDs only, not video. Using Handbreak to copy a DVD to your PC, even for backup purposes is illegal in this country.

 


I didn't know that. That's pretty stupid.

They win in every direction don't they? You own a license to view the show, but you don't own the show. Yet if you lose your media I bet they won't give you a discount on a replacement, you have to pay full price again. So really, you own a license to view the show on that individual disk.




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  Reply # 494638 18-Jul-2011 12:38
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Okay here is the difference:

USA:

freitasm:
PaulBrislen: Having said that, that's a T&C not a law so it's a civil issue not a criminal one, unless our Copyright Act has something in it about circumventing DRM solutions and that's worded broadly enough to capture secure VPN tunneling to another country.


This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).


This is my understanding to, you are just breaking your side of the contract you signed with Netflix which makes it civil.

Where as for UK:
jbard: I use a VPN to watch iplayer and it is a fantastic service in the uk. 


BBC's UK iPlayer is funded from the TV Licensing Fees (my understanding from many conversations w/ British friends etc).  Licensing Fees are collected under UK law, failure to pay the correct fee can result in a fine (and if I remember correctly, criminal prosecution).  Now from what I've read, this only applies to Live broadcasts, but it's a tangled web when you consider you could actually 'accidentally' break UK law, without realising it.

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