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  Reply # 494644 18-Jul-2011 12:43
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nigelj: Okay here is the difference:

USA:

freitasm:
PaulBrislen: Having said that, that's a T&C not a law so it's a civil issue not a criminal one, unless our Copyright Act has something in it about circumventing DRM solutions and that's worded broadly enough to capture secure VPN tunneling to another country.


This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).


This is my understanding to, you are just breaking your side of the contract you signed with Netflix which makes it civil.

Where as for UK:
jbard: I use a VPN to watch iplayer and it is a fantastic service in the uk. 


BBC's UK iPlayer is funded from the TV Licensing Fees (my understanding from many conversations w/ British friends etc).  Licensing Fees are collected under UK law, failure to pay the correct fee can result in a fine (and if I remember correctly, criminal prosecution).  Now from what I've read, this only applies to Live broadcasts, but it's a tangled web when you consider you could actually 'accidentally' break UK law, without realising it.



I think you are wrong here.

If you read the iplayer T & C you will notice it says a TV License is not required to use the service.
It is required to view the live shows though.

Not sure if the ad's fund it or other means but it is not funded by the TV license.

 

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  Reply # 494649 18-Jul-2011 12:53
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jbard:
nigelj: Now from what I've read, this only applies to Live broadcasts, but it's a tangled web when you consider you could actually 'accidentally' break UK law, without realising it.



I think you are wrong here.

If you read the iplayer T & C you will notice it says a TV License is not required to use the service.
It is required to view the live shows though.

Not sure if the ad's fund it or other means but it is not funded by the TV license.

 


If you read my full post, I had already said that, and I had referred to the iPlayer FAQ before making the post to make sure, also, iPlayer is funded/run by the BBC Trust, which is in turn funded mainly by Licensing Fees.  The content (BBC content at least, is also funded by BBC Trust/Licensing Fees in part/full).  Advertising in iPlayer may contribute to the funding, but having not used it before I'm not entirely sure on that.

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  Reply # 494680 18-Jul-2011 13:26
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nigelj:
jbard:
nigelj: Now from what I've read, this only applies to Live broadcasts, but it's a tangled web when you consider you could actually 'accidentally' break UK law, without realising it.



I think you are wrong here.

If you read the iplayer T & C you will notice it says a TV License is not required to use the service.
It is required to view the live shows though.

Not sure if the ad's fund it or other means but it is not funded by the TV license.

 


If you read my full post, I had already said that, and I had referred to the iPlayer FAQ before making the post to make sure, also, iPlayer is funded/run by the BBC Trust, which is in turn funded mainly by Licensing Fees.  The content (BBC content at least, is also funded by BBC Trust/Licensing Fees in part/full).  Advertising in iPlayer may contribute to the funding, but having not used it before I'm not entirely sure on that.


Ahh yes sorry, that's me reading to fast ;) 



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gzt:
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freitasm: Buy why? How many times are you going to watch it really?

I started to collect all the seasons of Family Guy on DVD. I got to season 3 but have stopped because i hate the hassle of DVD's and waiting for loading times and fiddling around with multiple discs.

Shows like Family Guy/Simpsons/SouthPark/The Office are great just to have available to watch.... even if you've already seen them before.

I could suggest that you format shift your own dvd's you buy to digital files and remove the annoying compulsory warnings and previews etc (as so many people do), but um.. format shifting for video is actually not legal in NZ.


Exactly, it's not legal so as per OP, it isn't an option.

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  Reply # 494785 18-Jul-2011 15:16
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freitasm: 

This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).

It's no different than you buying Zone 1 DVDs off Amazon and have them shipped here.

It's very different than you downloading the content from unauthorised torrents.



Except according to the T&C/License that you agree to (check the itunes one) you no longer have permission to view the content, since Apple terminates your license if you're getting around geographical restrictions. So no license == copyright infringement.
 

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  Reply # 494884 18-Jul-2011 17:00
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So even when they are trying to sell you stuff they are being dicks about it so you may as well be smart, save the cash and be illegal for free, instead of illegal for pay ;)




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  Reply # 494886 18-Jul-2011 17:05
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kyhwana2:
freitasm: 

This is all... The content is being paid for, it's not being redistributed and only watched in one location (even if not the originally one intended for).

It's no different than you buying Zone 1 DVDs off Amazon and have them shipped here.

It's very different than you downloading the content from unauthorised torrents.



Except according to the T&C/License that you agree to (check the itunes one) you no longer have permission to view the content, since Apple terminates your license if you're getting around geographical restrictions. So no license == copyright infringement.


The difference is that if Apple decides to take this up they stop providing the service and that's it. The user would not have access to the content anymore and no further action would be needed. A long way from terminating an Internet account.

  




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  Reply # 495475 19-Jul-2011 22:08
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PaulBrislen:
Having said that, that's a T&C not a law so it's a civil issue not a criminal one, unless our Copyright Act has something in it about circumventing DRM solutions and that's worded broadly enough to capture secure VPN tunneling to another country.


Hollywood hates it, but New Zealand law explicitly protects our right to break protection measures designed solely to enforce regional lock-in.

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  Reply # 495488 19-Jul-2011 22:26
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Kyanar:
PaulBrislen:
Having said that, that's a T&C not a law so it's a civil issue not a criminal one, unless our Copyright Act has something in it about circumventing DRM solutions and that's worded broadly enough to capture secure VPN tunneling to another country.


Hollywood hates it, but New Zealand law explicitly protects our right to break protection measures designed solely to enforce regional lock-in.


Hmm. It might not apply, but you can't format/time shift video.. also the whole "You no longer have rights to this since we terminate your license if you use this in NZ"


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  Reply # 495528 20-Jul-2011 01:40
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The lack of format shifting for video content at the time of the law change to allow music to be format shifted was really a huge failing fopr the owners of video content.

Personally yeah sure if there was a fully legal avenue for tv shows in NZ to be downloaded I would also gladly pay if it was a nominal amount. You have to realise though we actually have no idea when or if a particular show will make it to NZ.

I saw adverts for The Walking Dead the other night as coming to tv 2. I finished watching this when it ended in the US. Months later we finally get it. Would I watch it again on TV2??? probably not. Would i pay to own it digitally??? probably.

What annoys me is the time frames we wait I see some others comment they don't mind the wait.

Take a recent example of what's considered a short wait in NZ tv land. Saturday night just gone saw the first episode of the new US song show The Voice I heard the names of two of the judges in C Lo Green and Christina Aguleira but missed the other two. I google The Voice the first result was the Wikipedia page for the show. Click the link it's got all the judges listed and their respective teams underneath in columns. Problem was they have the seasons winner at the top of one of the columns in bold text. Dare I say it I enjoyed The Voice and probably would have watched it every now and then but now TVNZ makes us wait so long you can't look it up without ruining the result what a waste of taxpayer money.

Get with the times give us shows a wider range of shows faster and allow us to have options on how to actually receive them. Get with the digital age and stop allowing big business dictate our copyright and anti piracy laws. It's no surprise we figure high on the per capita copyright theft figures. The government should address the issue by giving us alternatives to reduce the numbers of those offending for the sake of just getting to watch shows as they come out. If people were not happy to pay for content we would not have a monopolistic tv system ruled by Sky TV where people have no choice but to pay to see sports and a lot of other great content readily available in many other countries.

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  Reply # 495716 20-Jul-2011 13:07
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You folks who are using a VPN to stream movies and shows from Netflix, Just wondering what impact does it have on your broadband plans?

I have thought about it but I burn through 80GB already doing normal stuff and I hate to think what this streaming might do to my plan.




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  Reply # 495734 20-Jul-2011 13:38
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lchiu7: You folks who are using a VPN to stream movies and shows from Netflix, Just wondering what impact does it have on your broadband plans?

I have thought about it but I burn through 80GB already doing normal stuff and I hate to think what this streaming might do to my plan.


I have a 90GB plan with Orcon with phone line and 45GB naked plan with VF on 2 different locations. I game for few hours on xbox live every night and watch tonnes of content on hulu, bbc iplayer, netflix and youtube and still have bit of data left. Company pays for the vodafone bill and I only have to fork out for the orcon bill. 




Do whatever you want to do man.

  

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  Reply # 495766 20-Jul-2011 15:03
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lchiu7: You folks who are using a VPN to stream movies and shows from Netflix, Just wondering what impact does it have on your broadband plans?

I have thought about it but I burn through 80GB already doing normal stuff and I hate to think what this streaming might do to my plan.


For Netflix, just use UnblockUs. I've been using it the past week to use Netflix on my Apple TV (the latest generation ATV). It's not a proxy, just a DNS change, so no double-handling/lag/extra data usage etc.

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  Reply # 495768 20-Jul-2011 15:06
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{begin rant}
I have to chip in and say, that considering this thread is already four pages long yet without any resolution to the OP's request, that (as we all know) there is so much very wrong with copyright in general, and specifically content availability in NZ.

I know there are laws and T&C's and all the content owners/holders have large armies of lawyers ready to pounce on anyone even thinking about downloading a torrent, but as this thread shows there are more than just a few people who want to own this content and are willing to pay.

Heck, I pay for a VPN so I can catch watch Hulu and I would gladly pay this directly to the rights holders (at the same rate) if it meant I didn't have to go through such lengths to just watch TV.  I also have a US iTunes account and use it a lot to buy stuff that is just not available over here.  At least I know the money from my iTunes account goes towards the studios, in a small way making me feel a bit better about having the VPN.

So I spend quite a bit of my own money to watch various shows, however none of them are legal/in line with the T&C's.  A part doesn't even get to the rights holders.  Just stupid.

Also people seem to forget the argument that has been made before to rights holders "how can you have a lost sale (from copyright infringement, i.e. downloading) when the item in question is not actually available for sale (in NZ)?".

{end of rant}


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  Reply # 495949 20-Jul-2011 21:25
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lchiu7: You folks who are using a VPN to stream movies and shows from Netflix, Just wondering what impact does it have on your broadband plans?

I have thought about it but I burn through 80GB already doing normal stuff and I hate to think what this streaming might do to my plan.


For Netflix, just use UnblockUs. I've been using it the past week to use Netflix on my Apple TV (the latest generation ATV). It's not a proxy, just a DNS change, so no double-handling/lag/extra data usage etc.


nice tip, thanks.

I was wondering how to get to watch TV on other devices using VPN's since I would have to have to watch video streams on a PC versus my Popcorn Hour.




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