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  #494182 17-Jul-2011 00:01
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codyc1515: [snip]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance




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  #494183 17-Jul-2011 00:02
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Talkiet:
codyc1515: [snip]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Exactly! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP#Conspiracy_theories

 
 
 
 


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  #494184 17-Jul-2011 00:07
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Hahahahahaha, just read a couple of pages from the link in the first post.

Either the whole site is a troll, or the people behind it are (and I don't use this term lightly - it is reserved for VERY special cases only), GALACTICALLY STUPID.

Doesn't really matter which, I got a laugh either way.

Cheers - N




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  #494186 17-Jul-2011 00:10
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Talkiet: Hahahahahaha, just read a couple of pages from the link in the first post.

Either the whole site is a troll, or the people behind it are (and I don't use this term lightly - it is reserved for VERY special cases only), GALACTICALLY STUPID.

Doesn't really matter which, I got a laugh either way.

Cheers - N

Just because you don't agree with somebody's beliefs does not make them wrong (unless you have reasonable proof to prove them wrong). For instance, if I was too say something like "God like doesn't exist" (without backing it up somehow) I think we can all agree that I would banned almost instantly.

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  #494188 17-Jul-2011 00:14
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codyc1515:
Talkiet: Hahahahahaha, just read a couple of pages from the link in the first post.

Either the whole site is a troll, or the people behind it are (and I don't use this term lightly - it is reserved for VERY special cases only), GALACTICALLY STUPID.

Doesn't really matter which, I got a laugh either way.

Cheers - N

Just because you don't agree with somebody's beliefs does not make them wrong (unless you have reasonable proof to prove them wrong). For instance, if I was too say something like "God like doesn't exist" (without backing it up somehow) I think we can all agree that I would banned almost instantly.


In theory you're correct.

In practise, I have some internal, subjective measure of idiocy that I'm happy to apply to my world view, in the full knowledge and acceptance that I'm not 100% certain about these things.

Flat Earthers, Birthers, these Haarpies and a few others have made my list, and _SO FAR_ I have had no reason to recalibrate my internal threshold.

Cheers - N




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  #494190 17-Jul-2011 00:19
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Talkiet:
codyc1515:
Talkiet: Hahahahahaha, just read a couple of pages from the link in the first post.

Either the whole site is a troll, or the people behind it are (and I don't use this term lightly - it is reserved for VERY special cases only), GALACTICALLY STUPID.

Doesn't really matter which, I got a laugh either way.

Cheers - N

Just because you don't agree with somebody's beliefs does not make them wrong (unless you have reasonable proof to prove them wrong). For instance, if I was too say something like "God like doesn't exist" (without backing it up somehow) I think we can all agree that I would banned almost instantly.


In theory you're correct.

In practise, I have some internal, subjective measure of idiocy that I'm happy to apply to my world view, in the full knowledge and acceptance that I'm not 100% certain about these things.

Flat Earthers, Birthers, these Haarpies and a few others have made my list, and _SO FAR_ I have had no reason to recalibrate my internal threshold.

Cheers - N

Well at least I don't go around calling people idiots just because they don't agree with my beliefs.

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  #494191 17-Jul-2011 00:26
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codyc1515: Well at least I don't go around calling people idiots just because they don't agree with my beliefs.


Not because they don't agree with ME... If I held a minority view then calling people idiots for not agreeing with me would be illogical.

If some groups hold minority views, and the vast, VAST majority of people hold an opposing view supported by a great deal of research and science, then I think Political Correctness should be flung out the door.

Sometimes, people are actually idiots.

Unless you're telling me that the education system has it right, and we shouldn't use terms like "Fail" anymore, and "not yet achieved" is what we should call not passing a test.

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  #494192 17-Jul-2011 00:27
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codyc1515: Well at least I don't go around calling people idiots just because they don't agree with my beliefs.


Not because they don't agree with ME... If I held a minority view then calling people idiots for not agreeing with me would be illogical.

If some groups hold minority views, and the vast, VAST majority of people hold an opposing view supported by a great deal of research and science, then I think Political Correctness should be flung out the door.

Sometimes, people are actually idiots.

Unless you're telling me that the education system has it right, and we shouldn't use terms like "Fail" anymore, and "not yet achieved" is what we should call not passing a test.

Cheers - N


Look, even the patent for it says it could be used as a weapon:

"This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."

Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605

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  #494194 17-Jul-2011 00:36
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codyc1515:

Look, even the patent for it says it could be used as a weapon:

"This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."

Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605


I respect your statement. I will continue to believe that there isn't a massive conspiracy to modify the atmosphere and cause huge earthquakes in Christchurch through the technology described in that Patent.

I will also continue to believe that people subscribing to that belief are out of step with widely held opinions.

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  #494195 17-Jul-2011 00:38
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Talkiet:
codyc1515:

Look, even the patent for it says it could be used as a weapon:

"This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."

Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605


I respect your statement. I will continue to believe that there isn't a massive conspiracy to modify the atmosphere and cause huge earthquakes in Christchurch through the technology described in that Patent.

I will also continue to believe that people subscribing to that belief are out of step with widely held opinions.

Regards
N

I am not forcing you to believe what I post. I respect your decision to not believe me, that is your choice. At no point did I say I knew for certain that it caused the Christchurch earthquakes. Yes, my beliefs are different to that of most people. In saying that, everybody's different.

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Talkiet:
codyc1515:

Look, even the patent for it says it could be used as a weapon:

"This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device."

Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605


I respect your statement. I will continue to believe that there isn't a massive conspiracy to modify the atmosphere and cause huge earthquakes in Christchurch through the technology described in that Patent.

I will also continue to believe that people subscribing to that belief are out of step with widely held opinions.

Regards
N



they are also loons.
crazy crazy fruitcakes.

just because people have the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. doesn't mean they aren't crazy.

they aren't crazy just because they don't hold the same beliefs as me, they are crazy because the beliefs they hold not only have no evidence for them, but they are also demonstrably false in most cases


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I've debated on other NZ sites with these chemtards. More than once it's ended up with one or more of them accusing me of being a corporate shill, on the payroll of the illuminati.

With regards to this thread and the chemtrails website website - the onus is the opening poster and the website to prove it.

The links that are referred to in the opening article are just more conspiracy sites and disreputable sources. Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show, Jeff Rense, who's been spewing out pseudo-scientific and conspiracy claptrap for as long as I can remember, and is the source of a lot of the nonsense in NZ's Uncensored magazine (literally, cut & paste.) Look that guy up and try not to vomit on your keyboard. These guys just link to each other and never cite anything peer reviewed or even remotely credible.

I do wonder about whether or not some of these webmasters even believe this stuff, or if it's just a way to get more naive and easily-led people to buy strange potions and bogus gadgets from their websites. (Have a look around, they make infomercials look like advertising masterpieces)

chemtrailsnorthnz cites a "sonic boom in Christchurch", which may have been a meteorite and totally coincidental. I remember back in 2005 there was one out over North Canterbury and I heard it in the CBD. Another mundane and more plausible explanation right there. Move along. Nothing to see...

chemtrailsnorthnz also says that a chemtrial was seen in the area on the day of the quak, but CONTRAILS are perfectly normal, and happen all the time. I took a photo of one yesterday. OH, hey, there was a 4.4 too! Contrails happen frequently. Earthquakes happen frequently. This doesn't mean one causes the other. You might as well claim, "hey, I sneezed on the day of an earthquake, I must have caused it."

My other gripe with these sites is how poorly they cobble together anecdotes, rhetoric and supposed evidence but they all seem to bee at odds with each other. Some say mind control, some say weather control, some say they're poisoning us, some say it's earthquakes - and there's never any one, single, unifying body of evidence to support any of it. I mean, if it's a real phenomenon, surely there'd be some sort of consensus on what's going on by now.

For a very comprehensive and thorough resource on the subject, check out http://contrailscience.com/




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cws82us: I been reading up on google about haarp and some poeple say that haarp did?christchurch Earthquake
more info http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/major-earthquake-strikes-near-christchurch-haarp/
what you guys think? true or not true


This should be up on a Tui Billboard

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I also clicked the link "Authority On HAARP, Dr Nick Begich?s Website."

"Doctor" Nick Begich, has a a Ph. D. in "traditional medicine" which was purchased via mail from the unaccredited Open International University in India. Dodgy. 

If he's the "authority" on this topic then good luck to the Chemtrail movement!




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  #494231 17-Jul-2011 10:30
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codyc1515: For instance, if I was too say something like "God like doesn't exist" (without backing it up somehow) I think we can all agree that I would banned almost instantly.


Not quite true.  Stay within the FUGs and you'll be fine.

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