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oxnsox
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  #494880 18-Jul-2011 16:57
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BurningBeard: I've tried twice on that chemtrails website to post about Doctor Nick's dodgy credentials, and asked just what the heck the Kaikoura earthquake hoopla was about. Both times my comment was removed. Seems that she only wants to hear from people who don't question her on the hard stuff.

...sounds like a conspiracy to me..... 

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  #495005 18-Jul-2011 21:17
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BurningBeard: I've tried twice on that chemtrails website to post about Doctor Nick's dodgy credentials, and asked just what the heck the Kaikoura earthquake hoopla was about. Both times my comment was removed. Seems that she only wants to hear from people who don't question her on the hard stuff.


You need to wear a tinfoil hat before posting a comment 

 
 
 
 


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  #495115 19-Jul-2011 08:42
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The conspiracy and paranormal mindset is fascinating. When I've encountered someone in real life who mentions a conspiracy they believe in, or another strange belief that is at odds with evidence, more often than not, they hold a lot of these beliefs. It's not just 9/11, or an anti GM stance, not just one ghost story or bigfoot. They'll be into the whole shebang - psychics, ancient astronauts, Bermuda Triangle, cryptozooligy etc.

Hey, people are entitled to their beliefs, but I think it's sad that this stuff clearly consumes people's lives. There are protest groups out there who are literally protesting about something that is non-existent.




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  #495119 19-Jul-2011 09:00
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2011 the year of the Conspiracy Theory.

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  #495149 19-Jul-2011 09:56
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'Life' is a conspiracy,
'the meaning of it', is what theorists will always reason and debate

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  #495184 19-Jul-2011 11:09
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2011, year of the platitudinal forum posts.

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  #495456 19-Jul-2011 21:30
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BurningBeard: It's not just 9/11, or an anti GM stance, not just one ghost story or bigfoot. They'll be into the whole shebang - psychics, ancient astronauts, Bermuda Triangle, cryptozooligy etc..

Do you really not hold any reservations about GM foods? Do most members of the Skeptics Society look upon anti-GM sentiment as conspiracy theory?
I don't believe GM crops is an example where the onus of proof is upon those who claim there is (or could be) something bad about it. If it turns out it was a bad idea - it's too late.
Maybe I am confusing skepticism with cynicism. Is there an Australasian Cynics Society? Perhaps I should join.

 
 
 
 


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  #495470 19-Jul-2011 22:03
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Skolink:
BurningBeard: It's not just 9/11, or an anti GM stance, not just one ghost story or bigfoot. They'll be into the whole shebang - psychics, ancient astronauts, Bermuda Triangle, cryptozooligy etc..

Do you really not hold any reservations about GM foods?


Personally, I am as concerned about GM foods as I am about foods that have been selectively bred.

As far as I'm concerned it's like many arguments... Take seatbelts for example. Yes, _occasionally_ a seatbelt could wrap your throat and kill you in an accident, but the vast majority of the time it's a good thing. Or cellphones - SO WHAT if they cause brain cancer in 0.0000001% of cases? They saved THOUSANDS of people by being available to use to call for help.

On balance, I'm happy with GM food. The same way I'm happy to wear a seatbelt, or use a cellphone.

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  #495502 19-Jul-2011 23:00
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Talkiet:
On balance, I'm happy with GM food. The same way I'm happy to wear a seatbelt, or use a cellphone.

Cheers - N


There are no equally good alternatives to a seatbelt or a cellphone. I also don't mind holding a 300mW transmitter to my head regularly, and I wouldn't stick my finger down my throat if I realized that I'd just eaten some Monsanto soy.
I look at 'natural' genes as a perfect, clean data set. Corrupt it, loose the original, and were screwed.
I'm not against genetic modification completely, insulin producing bacteria is a fantastic example, and I sometimes dream that someone will develop AIDS for the german wasp or possum. EDIT: do wasps sleep around?

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  #495512 19-Jul-2011 23:46
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Wow.

Think I'll go have a nice glass of fluoridated water and go to bed. Without any pseudo-scientific underlay so I can receive the full FM goodness.




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  #495520 19-Jul-2011 23:58
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stevenz: Wow.

Think I'll go have a nice glass of fluoridated water and go to bed. Without any pseudo-scientific underlay so I can receive the full FM goodness.


Magnets. That's what I want in my mattress overlay, magnets.

I've also taken to wearing my power bands 24*7. I mean, sure they are _probably_ just a bit of rubber with metallic stickers on them... But you never know!!!

(From their FAQ)
How does the EKEN Power Band work?
The 4 holographic discs in the band are programmed, through a proprietary process, with frequencies that are harmonious to the human body. The technology is based on over 10 years of research in electronics and eastern practices.

Whoooolllle new level of stupid right there :-)

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  #495560 20-Jul-2011 08:23
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It never ceases to amaze me how so many people accept 'Pseudo science' and other buffoonery but reject logic,common sense and science.

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  #495561 20-Jul-2011 08:27
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Do you folks want a *real* good conspiracy theory, not sci-fi?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5311491/SIS-on-trail-of-suspected-Israeli-spies

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5312404/Quake-victims-no-Mossad-a...

And stop talking about chemtrails, get back to real, deadly, life...





 

 

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  #495568 20-Jul-2011 08:48
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Skolink: Do you really not hold any reservations about GM foods?


I'll admit, there's a slight tinge of worry, but as Talkiet put, it, "I am as concerned about GM foods as I am about foods that have been selectively bred."

Many good things have come from GM (vaccines, insulin for diabetics, hardy crops)), and plenty more still to come. Where I have real issues with the anti-GM stance is when a (once noble) group like Greenpeace breaks into and sabotages a crop - it goes from "just a belief" to "criminal act."

I feel I need to pinch a quote from Skeptoid.com

No discussion of GMO is complete without a mention of Norman Borlaug, the 1970 Nobel Peace Prize winner, 1977 US Presidential Medal of Freedom winner, 2006 Congressional Gold Medal winner, and best known as the father of the Green Revolution. The unanimous act of Congress states "Dr. Borlaug has saved more lives than any other person who has ever lived, and likely has saved more lives in the Islamic world than any other human being in history." The Nobel committee put a number on this, estimating that he was personally and directly responsible for saving over one billion human beings in the Third World from starvation. Dr. Borlaug did it by pioneering the use of hybrid and genetically modified crops, designing new strains that could thrive in arid conditions where pesticides or herbicides were not available. He's also known for "Borlaug's Hypothesis" which proposes that the best way to reduce deforestation is to reduce demand for new farmland by using our best  




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  #495602 20-Jul-2011 09:56
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Talkiet: I've also taken to wearing my power bands 24*7. I mean, sure they are _probably_ just a bit of rubber with metallic stickers on them... But you never know!!!
Cheers - N

Our Prime Minister wore one for a while (I haven't seen it on his wrist lately). Surely he has the best of scientific advice, therefore they must have real power.

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