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  #496095 21-Jul-2011 09:23
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That's not profit in the sense of an organisation bottom line.

That's simply tax evasion and value accumulation. Not profit. Very different things.




 

 

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  #496099 21-Jul-2011 09:28
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But a lot of these people have acquired and are part of very large businesses & organizations. I understand that the term "profit" doesn't fit the context I was meaning, but in a sense it does become pure profit to them after they've cheated the system?

Or as you put it; value accumulation.

 
 
 
 


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  #496113 21-Jul-2011 09:48
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With out wealth there is no investment and as such no job creation. How does that help the poor?

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  #496138 21-Jul-2011 10:33
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Some of the "wealth" that you refer to is astronomical though? There comes a point when it becomes rather concerning not to mention unfair.

Unfair to the point that people are still dying every 3 minutes in some of these third world countries, not to mention their governments are beyond corrupt and are slaughtering them. The solutions to this problem aren't getting resolved. It's inhumane.

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  #496139 21-Jul-2011 10:37
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cgrew: Some of the "wealth" that you refer to is astronomical though? There comes a point when it becomes rather concerning not to mention unfair.

Unfair to the point that people are still dying every 3 minutes in some of these third world countries, not to mention their governments are beyond corrupt and are slaughtering them. The solutions to this problem aren't getting resolved. It's inhumane.


So how is taking away wealth going to help them?

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  #496141 21-Jul-2011 10:39
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What about instead of worrying about pseudo scientific stuff, people worry about this: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/07/worlds_most_dangerous_countrie.html




 

 

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  #496144 21-Jul-2011 10:43
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How about giving some of that wealth to rebuilding their lives & giving them some food?

Not necessarily giving these people a wad of cash but saving lives would be a start.

 
 
 
 


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  #496147 21-Jul-2011 10:46
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Problem is that redistributing the wealth costs. Of every dollar donated, a huge percentage (around $0.80) is "administration". This is not easy to scale.

As for distributing food, people try. But then they have to bribe the local tribal leaders, the province governors, the countries dictators to have the rights to drop food there.

Costs for this is astronomical. Enter GM. People create GM food that can live where normal crops couldn't. They can survive natural predators, and require less water.

But then people come with ideas that GM food is some conspiracy to increase profits, and everything goes to custard...

As for human rights, it's a sociological problem. Current wave of Politically Correct thinking makes it hard for people to tell it as it is...





 

 

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  #496159 21-Jul-2011 10:56
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freitasm:
But then people come with ideas that GM food is some conspiracy to increase profits, and everything goes to custard... 



There is a large percentage (not all) but an exceedingly large amount of GM foods out there, that despite their chemically enhanced additives to make them immune to those environments, studies are showing that long term these GM foods aren't doing the human body & nervous system any good...

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  #496161 21-Jul-2011 10:57
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One thing is GM (genetic modification), the other is chemical additives...




 

 

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  #496162 21-Jul-2011 10:58
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Also I think that the preservatives that are added in to GM foods to give them longer shelf life, is incredibly wrong.

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What is the time difference between a GM crop being viably available and a crop mutating naturally through a number of generations to become viable in a similar context?

Natural healing as against medical intervention, it's a similar argument.

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  #496172 21-Jul-2011 11:22
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cgrew: Also I think that the preservatives that are added in to GM foods to give them longer shelf life, is incredibly wrong.


As said, you wouldn't take antibiotics, liptor for cholesterol, insuline, etc if you were sick then? Let nature run its course...

 




 

 

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  #496178 21-Jul-2011 11:30
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oxnsox: What is the time difference between a GM crop being viably available and a crop mutating naturally through a number of generations to become viable in a similar context?

Natural healing as against medical intervention, it's a similar argument.


Do you know what alterations are made or what chromosones are added or removed to make that genetically modified crop in the example you gave?

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  #496181 21-Jul-2011 11:32
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cgrew: Also I think that the preservatives that are added in to GM foods to give them longer shelf life, is incredibly wrong.


Giving them a longer shelf life means they can actually get to eh people whoneed them without rotting.

 

What wouldyou rather have, non GM food that couldn’t be eaten because it perished before it got the needy people and so millions starved,  or GM food that actually provides sustenance and nourishment and saves millions of lives?.

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