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  Reply # 572100 22-Jan-2012 19:56
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But who benefits and why? And what's the implied relationship with the government?





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  Reply # 572102 22-Jan-2012 19:58
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freitasm: But who benefits and why? And what's the implied relationship with the government?


Government benefits from expanding their control yet again and anybody else that they choose (as they have to grant permission) to work with.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 572112 22-Jan-2012 20:39
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All I can do in response to the last pages of this thread I have read is laugh.




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  Reply # 572115 22-Jan-2012 20:41
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KiwiNZ: All I can do in response to the last pages of this thread I have read is laugh.

Why?

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  Reply # 572138 22-Jan-2012 21:47
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codyc1515:
freitasm: But who benefits and why? And what's the implied relationship with the government?


Government benefits from expanding their control yet again and anybody else that they choose (as they have to grant permission) to work with.


Have you actually read the bill in full, or are you still just believing the FUD?

Having spent many years working with food safety programs I believe this piece of legislation is one of the best things that's been introduced in NZ for many years.

The proof is now on producers to prove their food is safe, and stop dodgy retailers selling unsafe food, from unsafe premises.

If you're so anti the bill why can't didn't you submit a submission when it went through the select committee process? I would have thought that would have been the best time to object to it.




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  Reply # 572181 22-Jan-2012 22:44
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sbiddle:
codyc1515:
freitasm: But who benefits and why? And what's the implied relationship with the government?


Government benefits from expanding their control yet again and anybody else that they choose (as they have to grant permission) to work with.


Have you actually read the bill in full, or are you still just believing the FUD?

Having spent many years working with food safety programs I believe this piece of legislation is one of the best things that's been introduced in NZ for many years.

The proof is now on producers to prove their food is safe, and stop dodgy retailers selling unsafe food, from unsafe premises.

If you're so anti the bill why can't didn't you submit a submission when it went through the select committee process? I would have thought that would have been the best time to object to it.





now now how can there be irrational conspiracy if logic and fact are in play.




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  Reply # 572209 23-Jan-2012 07:28
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Having spent many years working with food safety programs I believe this piece of legislation is one of the best things that's been introduced in NZ for many years. 



Sweet so you must really enjoy the taste of McDonald's McChicken burger's & McNuggets??




Say hello to mechanically sepa...rated chicken. It’s what all fast-food chicken is made – things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it. Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve — bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this. There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color. But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?  


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codyc1515: Increase dependance on the government and corporations for food.



The US government & "mega" food corporations are notorious for this ^^^ 

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sbiddle:
Having spent many years working with food safety programs I believe this piece of legislation is one of the best things that's been introduced in NZ for many years. 



Sweet so you must really enjoy the taste of McDonald's McChicken burger's & McNuggets??




Say hello to mechanically sepa...rated chicken. It’s what all fast-food chicken is made – things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it. Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve — bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this. There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color. But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?  



Except you're entirely wrong. McDonalds only use breast meat in their burgers and nuggets. You're just spreading FUD, much like most of those people objecting against the food bill.

There is also nothing wrong with mechanically seperated chicken. When did anything every get sick or die from eating it? I bet never. 

How many people died globally last die drinking freshly squeezed orange juice, eating bean sprouts or melons? Lots. 28 people died in the US in October alone from listeria contaminated rockmelon (canteloupe)

The new food bill focuses on risk based analysis of food producers and retailers. It introduces national standards for places selling food so there aren't inconsistancies between local bodies who currently administer the inspection of premises.

Just because something is grown in your garden doesn't mean it's safe. If you grow something and sell it for profit,  failing to follow an appropiate risk based food safety program, make people sick (or even kill them) why shouldn't you be held responsible for your actions?

I have absolutely no time for anybody who spreads FUD surrounding the food bill. It replaces an obsolete early 80's bill, and makes huge steps forward towards improving the safety of our food. People who really think it's all a conspiracy from US chemical producers really need to get a grip on reality, reading the bill in it's entirety might actually teach them a thing or two.






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  Reply # 572228 23-Jan-2012 09:05
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cgrew: Say hello to mechanically sepa...rated chicken. It’s what all fast-food chicken is made – things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it. Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve — bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this. There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color. But, hey, at least it tastes good, right?  



It's always the same. People post links to the first story, but never post the retractions... It later says:

"... although mass produced chicken nuggets at large may contain mechanically separated chicken, McDonald's famous McNuggets no longer do contain "mechanically separated poultry as defined by the federal government. The USDA now requires foods with mechanically separated poultry to be labeled as containing "mechanically separated chicken or turkey" in their ingredients lists." 

Get your facts right, if they are going to be used as conspiracy theory supporting evidence.

The Food Bill in New Zealand does exactly that: expands the standards to new levels, to ensure safety to everyone. As Steve said, just because it was home grown it doesn't mean it's safer. Example?

Tainted cheese fuels TB rise in California (home made cheese). Or this case of "Bathtub cheese linked to 2,000 cases of Salmonella":

"Public health investigators have linked more than 2,000 cases of salmonella in six Utah counties to homemade "queso fresco" cheese. The cheese was sold -- unlabeled -- mostly by word of mouth.Everyone familiar with the man who distributed the queso fresco called him "Mr. Cheese." However, his product has been making people sick for at least three years because raw milk, which was tainted with salmonella, was used in the cheese production."

You will probably reply with "that's MSM articles paid for by large corporations to make their cheese products look safer than home made".





 




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I have no doubt that biotech and industrial interests had a large role in drafting this bill.

Some of the people who oppose it have been spreading fear uncertainty and doubt to such a large and unbelievable extent, and people who are directly affected are ignoring them completely.

As I understand it, the Green Party cooperated with the government to articulate and address some of the early concerns and more or less signed off on the revised bill.

If there is anything objectionable left in the bill now (after going through several revisions) - What exactly are these things and how will they affect food production in New Zealand? I am genuinely interested.

For instance does the bill restrict any activity where there is very little justification on safety grounds?

Unfortunately your chosen source nzfoodsecurity.org  seems completely unable to articulate this in any detail.

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There is also nothing wrong with mechanically seperated chicken. When did anything every get sick or die from eating it? I bet never.


Really? Well obviously you've never had good chicken before? People may not drop dead straight away, but over time the human body can break down because of over processed foods. There are studies indicating that this is happening.

It can be a slow process.




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cgrew:
sbiddle:
There is also nothing wrong with mechanically seperated chicken. When did anything every get sick or die from eating it? I bet never.


Really? Well obviously you've never had good chicken before? People may not drop dead straight away, but over time the human body can break down because of over processed foods. There are studies indicating that this is happening.

It can be a slow process.



And the food bill has absolutely nothing at all to do with this.

Organically grown oranges that are freshly squeezed have the potential to kill you within days if they are contamined. I'd far prefer a law introducing risk based food safety programs that will ensure that somebody is ultimately responsible. You see a perceived risk from that a food you're under no obligation to eat, and that is your choice. The average person in the street would see no perceived risk from a bottle of freshly squeezed orange juice from a farmers market, yet it could kill them within days.

If you don't want to eat mechanically seperated chicken the good news is that the bill introduces greater control over food labelling, and puts the responsibility on importers and sellers to ensure that their food is safe to eat.

The key thing you're missing is that it moves to a risk based food safety analysis. These comments show it's very clear you have not read the bill, have a limited understanding of it, and also have absolutely no understanding of HAACP, food safety and risk management.





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freitasm: It's always the same. People post links to the first storyGet your facts right, if they are going to be used as conspiracy theory supporting evidence. 


Firstly I would like to retract my earlier post saying that McD's have "mechanically seperated chicken" in their burgers. I simply received the photo & comment via e-mail. So no I did not acquire this from some "conspiracy site" as evidence.

And secondly, the idea of McD's having "mechanically seperated chicken" in their burgers etc comes as no surprise considering that most of their food is processed anyway.






 

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sbiddle: And the food bill has absolutely nothing at all to do with this.


Did I say it did?

The key thing you're missing is that it moves to a risk based food safety analysis. These comments show it's very clear you have not read the bill, have a limited understanding of it, and also have absolutely no understanding of HAACP, food safety and risk management.


That's great, so where were you & your "food safety & risk management" when food safety slipped Aspartame in to society??




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