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  Reply # 537587 26-Oct-2011 09:55
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BurningBeard: 
If you take a look in the Bible, this has all happened before (re., Tower of Babel). 


Great, quoting fiction now. You may as well be referencing Harry Potter now.

I could say the same for you. You still have not proven that it could not possibly happen.

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  Reply # 537599 26-Oct-2011 10:04
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BurningBeard: 
If you take a look in the Bible, this has all happened before (re., Tower of Babel). 


Great, quoting fiction now. You may as well be referencing Harry Potter now.

I could say the same for you. You still have not proven that it could not possibly happen.


Err - you could use the same logic to insist on the existence of the Tooth Fairy.  Very difficult to prove that there isn't one, just rather unlikely - despite personal experience of money appearing under my pillow.




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  Reply # 537600 26-Oct-2011 10:05
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codyc1515:
BurningBeard: 
If you take a look in the Bible, this has all happened before (re., Tower of Babel). 


Great, quoting fiction now. You may as well be referencing Harry Potter now.

I could say the same for you. You still have not proven that it could not possibly happen.


Err - you could use the same logic to insist on the existence of the Tooth Fairy.  Very difficult to prove that there isn't one, just rather unlikely - despite personal experience of money appearing under my pillow.

I've given my "proof", you haven't tried to logically disprove it. 

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  Reply # 537620 26-Oct-2011 10:24
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codyc1515: I could say the same for you. You still have not proven that it could not possibly happen.


*sigh*

Again. Argument from ignorance. 

Do I need to draw a picture?

Let me try with an example. Let's say I claim there's a magical teapot floating around Neptune. You cannot disprove that, so does that make me right?




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  Reply # 537623 26-Oct-2011 10:25
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BurningBeard:
codyc1515: I could say the same for you. You still have not proven that it could not possibly happen.


*sigh*

Again. Argument from ignorance. 

Do I need to draw a picture?

Let me try with an example. Let's say I claim there's a magical teapot floating around Neptune. You cannot disprove that, so does that make me right?

I understand that but you cannot prove it either.
I provide evidence from the Bible, and yet still you claim it to be fictitious (with no proof may I add).

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  Reply # 537635 26-Oct-2011 10:42
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codyc1515: I provide evidence from the Bible, and yet still you claim it to be fictitious (with no proof may I add).


I don't need to - you're the one using it as a historical reference.

But if you must know why I think The Bible is rubbish, here we go.

The fact that the Bible has multiple authors over many, many years is a dead giveaway. How many times has it been re-written, translated and altered? How many versions are there? Yeah, you get my drift.

The story of Jesus is clearly a rehashing of other myths and stories (Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, Horus, Osisris, Dionysus, Hercules, Asklepios, to name a few.) 

The Book of Genesis's flood story is ridiculously similar to the Epic of Gilgamesh, from hundres of years earlier. 

Failed prophecies.

I don't have the time or the resources at my immediate disposal, but the Bible is rife with continuity errors that don't match up at all. Some of the people claimed to be involved in events in the bible weren't even alive at the alleged time.

False claims of nature. If the bible was actually true, then The Moon is a source of light, rain comes from the opening of windows in the sky, the Earth would be motionless and flat, and that the sky is blue because there's a vast sea up there.

I'm not going to even bother with the contradictions, but if you have some spare time, have a look at this.  Clearly, people are making this up.

That's off the top of my head, there's much, much more, but I have work to do.

I still have ZERO reason to believe any of it is true in any useful or meaningful sense. There's tidbits of history in there but they're not proof of Jesus' divinity... or existence.




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  Reply # 537663 26-Oct-2011 11:45
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ScottStevensNZ:

The burden of proof is on those who believe in the conspiracy theory (and provide me with an Illuminati application, but I beleive that is already in the mail - thanks Mauricio!). Fact is, even the most basic tools of Logic can disprove conspiracy theories. What is more likely - that 9/11 was an inside job by the US government involving massive amounts of planning and secrecy and the result of wiring 100+ story buildings with demolition charges without any of the thousands of employees of those buildings noticing? Or a bunch religious nut jobs with a history of suicide bombings and who admitted to doing it?

The thing is with conspiracy theories is that they (ironically) present the most circuitous complex explaination for an event - which is proabably why I enjoy them so much :)




So what your saying is that officialdom has no need of proof when presenting what it calls fact? Interesting way to look at it.

Who here believes the official line on the JFK assassination, and the subsequent "magic bullet" theory as proposed by the Warren Commission? 


Nice twist, but incorrect. When an extraordinary claim is made it is up to the claimant to provide proof to back it up. Your line of reasoning takes the form:

You: People have psychic powers
Me: Really? Where is your proof?
You: Nobody has proved that people don't have pyschic powers, so therefore they do

What I am actually asking in this example is where is your scientifically verified evidence which has been tested through rigourous experimentation.

"So what your saying is that officialdom has no need of proof when presenting what it calls fact"


Uhm no, the above point still stands.

Who here believes the official line on the JFK assassination, and the subsequent "magic bullet" theory as proposed by the Warren Commission? 


So, will you be presenting an hypothesis, a theory or an assertion for this?





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  Reply # 537689 26-Oct-2011 12:55
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BurningBeard:
codyc1515: I provide evidence from the Bible, and yet still you claim it to be fictitious (with no proof may I add).


I don't need to - you're the one using it as a historical reference.

But if you must know why I think The Bible is rubbish, here we go.

The fact that the Bible has multiple authors over many, many years is a dead giveaway. How many times has it been re-written, translated and altered? How many versions are there? Yeah, you get my drift.

The story of Jesus is clearly a rehashing of other myths and stories (Krishna, Buddha, Mithra, Horus, Osisris, Dionysus, Hercules, Asklepios, to name a few.) 

The Book of Genesis's flood story is ridiculously similar to the Epic of Gilgamesh, from hundres of years earlier. 

Failed prophecies.

I don't have the time or the resources at my immediate disposal, but the Bible is rife with continuity errors that don't match up at all. Some of the people claimed to be involved in events in the bible weren't even alive at the alleged time.

False claims of nature. If the bible was actually true, then The Moon is a source of light, rain comes from the opening of windows in the sky, the Earth would be motionless and flat, and that the sky is blue because there's a vast sea up there.

I'm not going to even bother with the contradictions, but if you have some spare time, have a look at this.  Clearly, people are making this up.

That's off the top of my head, there's much, much more, but I have work to do.

I still have ZERO reason to believe any of it is true in any useful or meaningful sense. There's tidbits of history in there but they're not proof of Jesus' divinity... or existence.


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  Reply # 537692 26-Oct-2011 12:59
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ScottStevensNZ: FYI: Your Dr Who theme makes a great ring tone - I hope that doesn't cheapen it


I've got it on my phone too!

Working on a new one actually. More "epic." (strings, choir, Dr Who samples.) 




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  Reply # 537752 26-Oct-2011 14:34
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Nice, I'm now being censored. My other post "disappeared".




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  Reply # 537755 26-Oct-2011 14:35
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Now this comment is just silly.

You are not being censored. It's a bug, one I've seen many times - it thinks the last reply in the thread is on a page, but it's actually on a page before.





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  Reply # 537756 26-Oct-2011 14:36
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freitasm: Now this comment is just silly.

You are not being censored. It's a bug, one I've seen many times - it thinks the last reply in the thread is on a page, but it's actually on a page before.


I'm pretty sure I sent you an email about this around a week ago and never heard back about it.



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  Reply # 537757 26-Oct-2011 14:37
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Actually should really censor you, for posting a giant image, almost 410 KBytes. Can't you spend a bit of the time to cut it down to what's actually important there?




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  Reply # 537759 26-Oct-2011 14:37
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freitasm: Actually should really censor you, for posting a giant image, almost 410 KBytes. Can't you spend a bit of the time to cut it down to what's actually important there?

Apologies, I have a high res screen. Its now a 316kb file :)

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