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#538249 27-Oct-2011 17:52

I'm gonna be honest, I think it's stupid for anyone to think that it's just sweet as because someone says so. I don't believe that it'd be safe to swim and stuff not this soon after an oil spill.

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SpookyAwol

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#540207 2-Nov-2011 09:27

Has anyone seen a valid reason why we still have 100's of containers sitting on the boat? I see they have a crane in port. I can accept there is probably some reasonable technical reason why you cant get containers off a boat tilting 22+ degrees.

Has anyone seen an official reason?

TheUngeek

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#540208 2-Nov-2011 09:29

Can't do it while the salvors are trying to get the oil off, oil is more dangerous!
Pretty dodgy job lifting containers at that angle

John2010

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#540302 2-Nov-2011 12:49

SpookyAwol: Has anyone seen a valid reason why we still have 100's of containers sitting on the boat? I see they have a crane in port. I can accept there is probably some reasonable technical reason why you cant get containers off a boat tilting 22+ degrees.

Has anyone seen an official reason?

I have not seen any "official" reason and have seen little of what is being done out at the ship myself but I would expect that it is because of the danger it would pose to equipment and personnel on deck during oil removal. As the previous poster has said, the oil comes first.

Perhaps also due to the limited searoom around the ship to get both the tanker for oil removal and the heavy lift vessel/barge around the vessel. It may also be that they intend dropping the top precarious empty containers off into the sea for the Pancaldo to pick up from there.

I am only guessing but hopefully it is pretty clear that there are likely to be plenty of valid reasons why they haven't started on them (although I am sure someone will be along soon to say that they know better than the salvors and so no reason is good enuff

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old3eyes

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#540305 2-Nov-2011 12:53

I saw an interview a week two ago about why they can't get them off yet. More to do with the angle of the containers than anything. They can't easily be lifted at that angle.. They will most likely have to cut the locks between them and push them into the sea..

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oxnsox

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#540313 2-Nov-2011 13:21

I have heard the salvors say in radio interviews that the oil comes first, and that removal of containers wouldn't happen whilst oil salvage crew were still aboard the Rena and at work. Also mentioned the additional hazard of having the oil recovery vessels in close proximity at the same time, as others have mentioned.

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#540320 2-Nov-2011 13:43

The weight of the containers may be helping to keep the Rena stuck on the reef. Take them off and the ship would move around a lot more.

gzt

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#544549 12-Nov-2011 12:15

Herald reporting a salvage worker keeping a blog of the Rena operation has been reminded of a confidentiality/disclosure clause in his contract and asked to stop.

I can understand why, but it is very unfortunate there can be no detailed reporting about the work going on when there is a huge public interest.

http://antipodeanmariner.blogspot.com/

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#546877 18-Nov-2011 13:15

robbyp: This is typical 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff' way of copying with problems, that NZ specializes in. SOmeone needs to be accountable for the lack of disaster plans for this type of thing. There was some arrogant guy on TV3 who was a supposed expert at managing these things, and he said they could rush it, because they hadn't yet found a place to take the oil once they had removed it from the ship. Well mate, anywhere would be better than letting it continue to pour into the ocean, or on NZ beaches.
That ship holds 1.5 million litres, and that oil should have been removed by now.

...And NZ wants to do offshore oil drilling...

NZs clean green reputation is one of it's main selling points.
There is also the chemicals and fertiliser on the ship to cope with too if the ship breaks up.

Looking back now I'm wondering how the ill-informed knee jerk brigade are reacting given what we know now and they are still pumping.

Why some people feel the need to try and calm thier anxieties but bleating online or to talkback beats me, is it a personality trait or just the way some of society is going these days.

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oxnsox

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#546895 18-Nov-2011 14:02

Guess we've all got a view and an opinion....
But these days we also have the internet and the ability to express them, where previously we'd confine our out-loud-thinking to workmates or home; before we read more in the paper the next day and modified our thinking accordingly.

Shame is that some folk don't choose to research their thoughts/opinions 'in-context' before they post them.
And on top of that they have the generic anonymity of the internet (radio), so feel no need to be responsible

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#546899 18-Nov-2011 14:07

yes I agree but the scaremongering be it intentional or not can do a lot of damage given some just jump on the band wagon and start to form a mob mentality.

Media are just as bad with thier continual reporting on hearsay or the opnion of someone on the street that has neither the knowledge or qualifications.

I find it frustrating but accept some feel the need to vent and the internet is ideal

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TheUngeek

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#546905 18-Nov-2011 14:17

Media in NZ is more and more an opinion setter rather than a fact reporter imo.

oxnsox

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#546911 18-Nov-2011 14:24

TheUngeek: Media in NZ is more and more an opinion setter rather than a fact reporter imo.

Agree.
But you shouldn't let the-facts get in the way of a good rating story right????

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#546938 18-Nov-2011 15:16

will there ever be a time where people see through all this and they have to change from tabloid to actual news reporting or investigating

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#569156 15-Jan-2012 17:17

Herald reporting telephone scammers ('think of the little blue penguins') are soliciting donations for a non-existent Rena spill wildlife fund:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10778870

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