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  Reply # 537208 25-Oct-2011 10:32
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lyonrouge: Did someone just quote Wikipedia?


Nothing wrong with quoting Wikipedia for a non-controversial topic, especially when it is well sourced – which this one appears to be.

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  Reply # 537212 25-Oct-2011 10:48
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"non-controversial"? ;-)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 537215 25-Oct-2011 10:52
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lyonrouge: "non-controversial"? ;-)


Do you think the fact that this university runs polls and is well regarded in the media is controversial? I don’t.   That is the fact that is being questioned.

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  Reply # 537412 25-Oct-2011 19:57
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  Reply # 537426 25-Oct-2011 20:48
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This is something that I agree with.


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  Reply # 537428 25-Oct-2011 20:54
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"This is fascism. I waited for a couple of years for fascism to show up."

Seriously? Only a couple of years?

Sorry, I can't take those seriously.




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  Reply # 537430 25-Oct-2011 20:56
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freitasm: "This is fascism. I waited for a couple of years for fascism to show up."

Seriously? Only a couple of years?

Sorry, I can't take those seriously.

Heres something you can take seriously: the handing out of leaflets, using a megaphone, as well as having a peaceful protest all require a license, apparently due to council bylaws. Obviously, you support the constant increase in taxations, selling out to international bankers and increased national debt... ;)

How much longer before we need an Internet license? You do realize that we live in an, effectively, dictatorship. Labour or Nation, two sides of the same coin. Nothing will change for the better for as long as this continues.

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  Reply # 537431 25-Oct-2011 21:02
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My point stands: someone who says he waited for fascism to show up "for a couple of years" is seriously in need of some history lessons. Does he seriously believe fascism, an early 20th century ideology, only now is a treat to New Zealand?

Fascism is a nationalist regime, usually lead by a dictator, based on the idea that national identity is superior to everything else, with strong militarism. That guy has no idea of what he's talking about.

This is about the economy. Read more http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.htm
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  Reply # 537722 26-Oct-2011 13:36
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freitasm: "This is fascism. I waited for a couple of years for fascism to show up."

Seriously? Only a couple of years?

Sorry, I can't take those seriously.

Heres something you can take seriously: the handing out of leaflets, using a megaphone, as well as having a peaceful protest all require a license, apparently due to council bylaws. Obviously, you support the constant increase in taxations, selling out to international bankers and increased national debt... ;)

How much longer before we need an Internet license? You do realize that we live in an, effectively, dictatorship. Labour or Nation, two sides of the same coin. Nothing will change for the better for as long as this continues.


This is my personal bugbear too - just because you need a license for a protest - and I am assuming that you mean one of these:

http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/events/plansupport/organising/organising.html
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/rdstraffic/permapp/permapp.html

does not make NZ a fascist state. Perhaps you Should read Rodger Eatwells excellent book (oddly entitled 'Fascism' which was my third year text) and look at governments during the hey day of fascism such as those in Austria (Before Anschluss), Hungary, Romania, Slovenia, Croatia, Italy and Germany as well as looking at the parties that never made it in to power such as the British Union of Fascists or the PPF in france (not to mention the puppet states set up during the war)

By slinging the word around as you do you use it in such a way as to make it devoid of meaning. Unlike communism, Fascism has no rigid manifesto (fascists always believed that it had a form of dynamism) though it is often strongly rooted in extreme nationalism boarding almost on Romanitism (such as Italy and Germany). It can be Racist (such as Germany, Hungary, Romania, Sloviena), it will often have a focus on the military and security usually resulting in the establishment of a secret police force (much like Communism). The press is tightly controlled and dissent is not tolerated (you would not be protesting against the government - permit or not - in say Mussolini's Italy, or Hitlers Germany , members of the white rose were executed by beheading and I am reasonably sure that you still have yours). Facisim places a focus on mass movements such as KdF - while the closest we have here seems to be the All Blacks (which I am free to support or not as I see fit).

If it all sounds a little to much then you shouldn't be using the word.






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  Reply # 537724 26-Oct-2011 13:40
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codyc1515:
freitasm: "This is fascism. I waited for a couple of years for fascism to show up."

Seriously? Only a couple of years?

Sorry, I can't take those seriously.

Heres something you can take seriously: the handing out of leaflets, using a megaphone, as well as having a peaceful protest all require a license, apparently due to council bylaws. Obviously, you support the constant increase in taxations, selling out to international bankers and increased national debt... ;)

How much longer before we need an Internet license? You do realize that we live in an, effectively, dictatorship. Labour or Nation, two sides of the same coin. Nothing will change for the better for as long as this continues.


This is my personal bugbear too - just because you need a license for a protest - and I am assuming that you mean one of these:

http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/events/plansupport/organising/organising.html
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/rdstraffic/permapp/permapp.html

does not make NZ a fascist state. Perhaps you Should read Rodger Eatwells excellent book (oddly entitled 'Fascism' which was my third year text) and look at governments during the hey day of fascism such as those in Austria (Before Anschluss), Hungary, Romania, Slovenia, Croatia, Italy and Germany as well as looking at the parties that never made it in to power such as the British Union of Fascists or the PPF in france (not to mention the puppet states set up during the war)

By slinging the word around as you do you use it in such a way as to make it devoid of meaning. Unlike communism, Fascism has no rigid manifesto (fascists always believed that it had a form of dynamism) though it is often strongly rooted in extreme nationalism boarding almost on Romanitism (such as Italy and Germany). It can be Racist (such as Germany, Hungary, Romania, Sloviena), it will often have a focus on the military and security usually resulting in the establishment of a secret police force (much like Communism). The press is tightly controlled and dissent is not tolerated (you would not be protesting against the government - permit or not - in say Mussolini's Italy, or Hitlers Germany , members of the white rose were executed by beheading and I am reasonably sure that you still have yours). Facisim places a focus on mass movements such as KdF - while the closest we have here seems to be the All Blacks (which I am free to support or not as I see fit).

If it all sounds a little to much then you shouldn't be using the word.



I didn't use the word "facist", though, the term "police state" could probably be applied in this context.
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  Reply # 537750 26-Oct-2011 14:31
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freitasm: "Police State"?

Goodness. People reading this must think we live in Hell.


Typical response.... I'm sure you don't a problem with the warrantless spying about to be brought into law.

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  Reply # 537782 26-Oct-2011 15:19
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Using 'police state' tends to open your argument up to even more falicies. Police State tends to imply an government on the Authoritarian to Totalitarian spectrum be they Stalinist, Communist, Fascist or Religious. So what exactly are you attempting to do?




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  Reply # 537794 26-Oct-2011 15:51
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ScottStevensNZ: Using 'police state' tends to open your argument up to even more falicies. Police State tends to imply an government on the Authoritarian to Totalitarian spectrum be they Stalinist, Communist, Fascist or Religious. So what exactly are you attempting to do?

Does this look like a free country? I would call this a police state.

Picture #1: Police warrantlessly videoing people "in case" a crime is committed, statements are made that the video is not being stored in a database.
Picture #2: Police illegally blocking Freedom of Movement in direct violation of the Bill of Rights.

Police were also threatening to confiscate pamphlets illegally in direction violation of the right to Freedom of Expression claiming it was a local by-law. Note: By-laws are not permitted to violate the Bill of Rights.





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