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  #537848 26-Oct-2011 17:10
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The sarcasm tag associated with that common line of "nothing to hide" seems to be in line to what you don't want done, and it sounded as if you were playing it as something the opponents of your views would say.





 

 

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  #537852 26-Oct-2011 17:13
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ScottStevensNZ:

I find it particularly funny that you all criticize my choice of vocabulary or my view on my and others rights but at no point actually try to point out what specifically I am wrong about, with evidence to back it up.


Interesting, so you beleive that the state has infringed your rights by preventing you from seeking legal advice from a lawyer in your employ, or for commenting on your beliefs in a public forum?

That was the point and the example I was attempting to make. By virtue of the fact that you can do those things freely seems to torpeedo your own argument.

What? I don't quite understand what you are saying here. I was saying basically that you are all criticizing me but don't actually provide any evidence to say that the Police are not breaching the Bill of Rights. I think its fairly clear what it says in the Bill of Rights and what is really happening.

freitasm: The sarcasm tag associated with that common line of "nothing to hide" seems to be in line to what you don't want done, and it sounded as if you were playing it as something the opponents of your views would say.

Haha, I have heard people on here make silly comments allow the lines of privacy doesn't matter if you have nothing to hide, so maybe that is so.

 
 
 
 


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  #537868 26-Oct-2011 17:52
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@Cody1515
A simple question for you chap....
How widely have you traveled??

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  #537906 26-Oct-2011 19:05
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codyc1515: There are different rights for police that they agree to when joining the police force compared to the average person. 
  

Such as?

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  #537975 26-Oct-2011 21:56
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oxnsox: @Cody1515
A simple question for you chap....
How widely have you traveled??

I can see where this is going....

Dratsab:
codyc1515: There are different rights for police that they agree to when joining the police force compared to the average person. 
   

Such as?

They must not subject anybody while on duty to an unreasonable search. At a peaceful protest, I would consider videoing everyone unreasonable.

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  #537991 26-Oct-2011 22:58
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codyc1515:
oxnsox: @Cody1515
A simple question for you chap....
How widely have you traveled??

I can see where this is going....

Dratsab:
codyc1515: There are different rights for police that they agree to when joining the police force compared to the average person. 
   

Such as?

They must not subject anybody while on duty to an unreasonable search. At a peaceful protest, I would consider videoing everyone unreasonable.


I didn't ask you to incorrectly and partially paraphrase a section of the NZ Bill of Rights which, by the way, apply equally to everybody. You have said police have different rights to other people, I'm asking you what those different rights are. 

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  #538066 27-Oct-2011 10:25
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codyc1515:
ScottStevensNZ:

I find it particularly funny that you all criticize my choice of vocabulary or my view on my and others rights but at no point actually try to point out what specifically I am wrong about, with evidence to back it up.


Interesting, so you beleive that the state has infringed your rights by preventing you from seeking legal advice from a lawyer in your employ, or for commenting on your beliefs in a public forum?

That was the point and the example I was attempting to make. By virtue of the fact that you can do those things freely seems to torpeedo your own argument.

What? I don't quite understand what you are saying here. I was saying basically that you are all criticizing me but don't actually provide any evidence to say that the Police are not breaching the Bill of Rights. I think its fairly clear what it says in the Bill of Rights and what is really happening.



Well, its quite simple. If we were living in a police state (as asserted) would you be able to obtain independent  legal representation or advice, would you be able to critise the government or the 'system' , would you be able to vote for or found a political party that best represents your views? Given the fact that you are here, discussing your issues with the 'system' tends to make me believe that we are not in actual fact living in a police state.




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  #538071 27-Oct-2011 10:34
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I stopped looking at this thread a while back, hmmm I cannot believe it has actually deteriorated.

The Occupy what ever group saw something on TV and thought weeeeeeeeeeee that would be fun. So rent a crowd got together with a handful ( how is that 99%? ) started a protest and are now trying to find plausible answers as to why.

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  #538092 27-Oct-2011 11:26
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This thread is geeting even more fun to read :-)

My thanks go to the resident tin foil hat wearer for brightening up my otherwise dull morning!  Very entertaining!


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  #538094 27-Oct-2011 11:30
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oxnsox: @Cody1515
A simple question for you chap....
How widely have you traveled??


I would say to the local shopping mall

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  #538095 27-Oct-2011 11:30
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ScottStevensNZ:
Well, its quite simple. If we were living in a police state (as asserted) would you be able to obtain independent  legal representation or advice, would you be able to critise the government or the 'system' , would you be able to vote for or found a political party that best represents your views? Given the fact that you are here, discussing your issues with the 'system' tends to make me believe that we are not in actual fact living in a police state.


Clearly you lack the understanding of exactly what goes on in the minds of the capitalismbots supporting our current corporate run society...

You probably even think that the apparent life choice of many protestors to embrace vegetarian or even vegan diets is some hippie or philosophical choice. RUBBISH. It's a fact that a vegetarian diet is an effective way to combat the depressants included in the chemtrail mix we see in this part of the world. If you have a typical state endorsed meat rich diet, you probably won't even question a lot of the stuff that the Occupy protestors can see so clearly.

It's unsurprising there's such friction between the protestors and the corporate shills - one group is clearly drugged most of the time and unable to reason logically!

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  #538107 27-Oct-2011 12:07
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Talkiet:
ScottStevensNZ:
Well, its quite simple. If we were living in a police state (as asserted) would you be able to obtain independent  legal representation or advice, would you be able to critise the government or the 'system' , would you be able to vote for or found a political party that best represents your views? Given the fact that you are here, discussing your issues with the 'system' tends to make me believe that we are not in actual fact living in a police state.


Clearly you lack the understanding of exactly what goes on in the minds of the capitalismbots supporting our current corporate run society...

You probably even think that the apparent life choice of many protestors to embrace vegetarian or even vegan diets is some hippie or philosophical choice. RUBBISH. It's a fact that a vegetarian diet is an effective way to combat the depressants included in the chemtrail mix we see in this part of the world. If you have a typical state endorsed meat rich diet, you probably won't even question a lot of the stuff that the Occupy protestors can see so clearly.

It's unsurprising there's such friction between the protestors and the corporate shills - one group is clearly drugged most of the time and unable to reason logically!

Cheers - N


I like my chemtrail influenced diet. And you got me, congrats - I am in fact in a bunker some 500M below the north pole with the 12 Jewish bankers that control the world. Funnily enough we all had a really bad holiday in Greece about 3 years back...now look at it - Not to mention that really bad service that Moishe got in that Dublin pub (Moishe is currently eating a new prototype meat candy to get children hooked - keep an eye out because its going to be good! Incidentally, the state doesn't sanction a meat diet - WE sanction it just like WE sanction everything else)





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  #538108 27-Oct-2011 12:07
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Talkiet: Clearly you lack the understanding of exactly what goes on in the minds of the capitalismbots supporting our current corporate run society...

You probably even think that the apparent life choice of many protestors to embrace vegetarian or even vegan diets is some hippie or philosophical choice. RUBBISH. It's a fact that a vegetarian diet is an effective way to combat the depressants included in the chemtrail mix we see in this part of the world. If you have a typical state endorsed meat rich diet, you probably won't even question a lot of the stuff that the Occupy protestors can see so clearly.

It's unsurprising there's such friction between the protestors and the corporate shills - one group is clearly drugged most of the time and unable to reason logically!

Cheers - N


Bah!  I can't decide if you are serious or not!!!

Put me out of my agony, what is it .. joke post or serious post ? :-)


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  #538112 27-Oct-2011 12:13
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codyc1515:
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@codyc1515 - It seems to me that you are claiming more rights for protesters than non protesters are entitled to. In my experience this is typical behaviour of protesters, all rights belong to them and if those rights impinge upon the freedom of those not protesting well that is just too bad. For example -

codyc1515:Does this look like a free country? I would call this a police state. Picture #1: Police warrantlessly videoing people "in case" a crime is committed, statements are made that the video is not being stored in a database.

In a free country people can video others in a public place. It seems that you are saying that protestors (as they do) and the general public can do so but the police can not? Or are you saying that no one can video others in a public place?      

codyc1515:I quoted "New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 No 109" part 2 section 18 sub-section 1: "Everyone lawfully in New Zealand has the right to freedom of movement and residence in New Zealand."


But that right of free movement does not extend to restricting the rights of others to their freedom of movement. Are you claiming, as I know many protesters do, that their claimed moral high ground gives them the right to restrict the free movement of others? If you are so claiming why can't others (including the police) claim their own moral high ground and impede the movements of protestors? 


There are different rights for police that they agree to when joining the police force compared to the average person.


If you wish to be taken seriously try answering my questions, instead of giving a non answer.

Otherwise, you will continue to come across as being very unworldly, perhaps just a teenager yet to mature, or as having the narrow views of an activist who considers their own rights to be superior to those of others and no one allowed to interfere with those. And on that latter point I have to agree with Tony Blair's observation in his autobiography of never trust activists.

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  #538115 27-Oct-2011 12:24
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And this is what happens when 2 crazy ideas collide...

John Minto - Spokesperson for the Mana Policy announcing policy and his speech starts by talking about the 1% that have ruled this country for the last 27 years.

"Labour and National policy for the past 27 years has been captured by the 1 per cent. And that 1 per cent in New Zealand has become obscenely wealthy while we have hundreds of thousands of kids living in poverty."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10762036]

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