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  #534753 18-Oct-2011 15:21
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LOl! stealing that....

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  #534766 18-Oct-2011 15:37
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codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

 
 
 
 


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  #534770 18-Oct-2011 15:39
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Byrned:
codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

You would rather those? 

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  #534773 18-Oct-2011 15:41
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gzt: The article is actually a humor piece. Key is too smart give the unimaginative opposition easy ammunition, and Ken Rabble is an unlikely name.


Whilst the article is a humouris look at the current events the quotes are real as is the name of the organiser of the rally.

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  #534776 18-Oct-2011 15:44
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codyc1515:
Byrned:
codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

You would rather those? 


Nope, quite prefer capitalism, but maybe with some spinklings of socialism and anarchism. It's like a healthy diet, you need a blanace Laughing 

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  #534780 18-Oct-2011 15:47
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Byrned:
codyc1515:
Byrned:
codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

You would rather those? 


Nope, quite prefer capitalism, but maybe with some spinklings of socialism and anarchism. It's like a healthy diet, you need a blanace Laughing 

Cool 

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  #534782 18-Oct-2011 15:53
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Byrned:
gzt: The article is actually a humor piece. Key is too smart give the unimaginative opposition easy ammunition, and Ken Rabble is an unlikely name.


Whilst the article is a humouris look at the current events the quotes are real as is the name of the organiser of the rally.


I don't believe it. Do you actually have any references to support your view?

 
 
 
 


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  #534783 18-Oct-2011 15:58
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Managed to find this: "Occupy Auckland is a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. We are the 99% and we believe in people and the planet before profit. We will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%."

Simple, stop giving your money to "greedy people", now stop complaining.

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  #534785 18-Oct-2011 16:00
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codyc1515:
Byrned:
codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

You would rather those? 


Sigh, this thread make me despair at the demise of actual intellectual thought. How many who have posted on here actually thought about both the protests and the current situation of mankind?

As for the above, its a perfect example of even how you think, is governed by the social construct that is provided to you. You think democracy is pick A or B? Capitalism & Communism are different sides of the same coin (no pun intended) being social control. Instead of asking is there a better way/choice, you merely blindly accept the status quo given to you without question. 

Most claim capitalism is the best system, but how many have lived under different ones? I bet if you ask latin Americans/Africans about their views on it, I dont think they would quite agree. But to hell with the natives right? I mean your comfortable and warm, why should you give a damm about anyone else..

The same reason communism fails, is the same reason capitalism does... People are greedy, mean and selfish, and those that employ those traits succeed at the detriment of others..

To show you the hypocrisy of our ideology, the best capitalists are the Chinese, who are... Communists. The people who dont even believe in our system are better than it than we are.. Looks like Marx had a wee point there... 

The current capitalist model is mathematically guaranteed to fail, infinite growth is impossible and people cant/wont grasp this basic fact because it threatens they system of belief so greatly, they feel it threatens them personally.

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  #534788 18-Oct-2011 16:04
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MikeyPI:
codyc1515:
Byrned:
codyc1515: Hmm, let me see:

Capitalism: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

vs.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

Yeah, I think I know which one I prefer (and its not communism)...


You forget the other ism's

Socialism
Fascism
Anarchism    

You would rather those? 


Sigh, this thread make me despair at the demise of actual intellectual thought. How many who have posted on here actually thought about both the protests and the current situation of mankind?

As for the above, its a perfect example of even how you think, is governed by the social construct that is provided to you. You think democracy is pick A or B? Capitalism & Communism are different sides of the same coin (no pun intended) being social control. Instead of asking is there a better way/choice, you merely blindly accept the status quo given to you without question. 

Most claim capitalism is the best system, but how many have lived under different ones? I bet if you ask latin Americans/Africans about their views on it, I dont think they would quite agree. But to hell with the natives right? I mean your comfortable and warm, why should you give a damm about anyone else..

The same reason communism fails, is the same reason capitalism does... People are greedy, mean and selfish, and those that employ those traits succeed at the detriment of others..

To show you the hypocrisy of our ideology, the best capitalists are the Chinese, who are... Communists. The people who dont even believe in our system are better than it than we are.. Looks like Marx had a wee point there... 

The current capitalist model is mathematically guaranteed to fail, infinite growth is impossible and people cant/wont grasp this basic fact because it threatens they system of belief so greatly, they feel it threatens them personally.

If 99% of the population agrees with your views, go start your own political party, and I'm sure everyone will vote for you.

/sarcasm 

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  #534796 18-Oct-2011 16:13
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codyc1515:
jofizz: Is anyone able to explain, in a few succinct sentences, what the Occupy movement stands for?

Thanks,
Joseph

Inciting violence in order to overthrow governments. 


Have to pull this one up.. Your views seem at odds with men who years prior defined what it should mean to be truly free..

Thomas Jefferson: God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure

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  #534797 18-Oct-2011 16:13
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MikeyPI:
codyc1515:
jofizz: Is anyone able to explain, in a few succinct sentences, what the Occupy movement stands for?

Thanks,
Joseph

Inciting violence in order to overthrow governments. 


Have to pull this one up.. Your views seem at odds with men who years prior defined what it should mean to be truly free..

Thomas Jefferson: God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure

So now you are suggesting to incite violence? 

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  #534799 18-Oct-2011 16:15
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codyc1515:
If 99% of the population agrees with your views, go start your own political party, and I'm sure everyone will vote for you.

/sarcasm 


I see there will be no intelligent debate with you. Such topics seem above your intellects' capabilities... Wouldnt have been easier just to call me a looney lefty, or a hippy or something?  

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  #534800 18-Oct-2011 16:16
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MikeyPI:
codyc1515:
If 99% of the population agrees with your views, go start your own political party, and I'm sure everyone will vote for you.

/sarcasm 


I see there will be no intelligent debate with you. Such topics seem above your intellects' capabilities... Wouldnt have been easier just to call me a looney lefty, or a hippy or something?  

What is your goal?

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  #534801 18-Oct-2011 16:17
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codyc1515:
So now you are suggesting to incite violence? 


Sigh, I see why scientists refuse to debate creationists... Please point to a quote from me inciting violence... 

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