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  Reply # 567324 11-Jan-2012 12:52
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Granted that my entry into Architecture was slightly different, but this is what I have figured out/know.

I've not done one single all nighter in my life. Treat Uni like a job and you won't need to. My grades are well within the top range for me to never consider doing one. That being said, I think i'm the only one from my year that hasn't...

Architecture in NZ is going the way of the rest of the world and dropping its base Architecture degree to three years instead of five and changing from a BArch to the BAS. You still need some sort of Post Graduate degree to be eligible to register and call yourself an Architect.

Regardless, you will still need to do the five years of study here if you want to get registered any time soon. In the case of Vic that means doing the Masters course.

I believe you can still get registered eventually with just the BAS but I can promise you that it will take a very long time. Architecture in NZ is quite an old boys network, and they don't like people who aren't on the same level as them (meaning anyone who hasn't done five years).

I completed a BDes and worked as a CAD Monkey for a few years before realising that being the bottom of the barrel was not where I wanted to be in the office. You *can* make money staying a monkey but realistically you won't be making that for 10-15 years, whereas being able to be called an Architect (albeit unregistered) gives you much more power in the money negotiations. For the sake of example, I started work as a CAD Technician and was doing more work than a graduate Architect for about half the pay. That really irked me.

On he subject of being registered, it takes a lot longer than people think, especially if you work in a firm which doesn't get a large selection of jobs through its doors. Don't worry about getting registered until you are made to, or you want to have your own business. It's about $3k from memory and if you fail the examination, you don't get any of that money back and you can't re-sit it straight away. It isn't for the faint hearted.



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  Reply # 567329 11-Jan-2012 13:00
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I remember reading somewhere that you can use the title of an architect if you've done the BAS. You don't have to be registered I recall. I don't see myself being registered for quite some time. I've always known that. It takes a very very long time before its even worth spending that amount of money on registering.




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  Reply # 567386 11-Jan-2012 14:49
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You have to be registered to call yourself an Architect.

Useful link for future thinking: http://www.thegrad.net.nz/Graduate-Development-Programme/Overview-1119.htm



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  Reply # 567396 11-Jan-2012 15:10
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Hmm thanks for clearing that up then. I can't remember where it was tat said you don't have to be registered. Oh well.




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  Reply # 567411 11-Jan-2012 15:37
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tardtasticx: Hmm thanks for clearing that up then. I can't remember where it was tat said you don't have to be registered. Oh well.


You can call yourself an 'archutectural designer' without being registered, but to legally call yourslef an architect you do need to be registered. This is what annoys me about job adverts for things sucg as IT architects, which are often just advertised as 'Architect'.. They do use the word 'architect' in their title, yet someone who has train to be an architect can't use the word in their title until they are registered.

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Disrespective: Granted that my entry into Architecture was slightly different, but this is what I have figured out/know.

I've not done one single all nighter in my life. Treat Uni like a job and you won't need to. My grades are well within the top range for me to never consider doing one. That being said, I think i'm the only one from my year that hasn't...

Architecture in NZ is going the way of the rest of the world and dropping its base Architecture degree to three years instead of five and changing from a BArch to the BAS. You still need some sort of Post Graduate degree to be eligible to register and call yourself an Architect.

Regardless, you will still need to do the five years of study here if you want to get registered any time soon. In the case of Vic that means doing the Masters course.

I believe you can still get registered eventually with just the BAS but I can promise you that it will take a very long time. Architecture in NZ is quite an old boys network, and they don't like people who aren't on the same level as them (meaning anyone who hasn't done five years).

I completed a BDes and worked as a CAD Monkey for a few years before realising that being the bottom of the barrel was not where I wanted to be in the office. You *can* make money staying a monkey but realistically you won't be making that for 10-15 years, whereas being able to be called an Architect (albeit unregistered) gives you much more power in the money negotiations. For the sake of example, I started work as a CAD Technician and was doing more work than a graduate Architect for about half the pay. That really irked me.

On he subject of being registered, it takes a lot longer than people think, especially if you work in a firm which doesn't get a large selection of jobs through its doors. Don't worry about getting registered until you are made to, or you want to have your own business. It's about $3k from memory and if you fail the examination, you don't get any of that money back and you can't re-sit it straight away. It isn't for the faint hearted.


Also don't you have to reapply for registration every 5 years or so, and have to keep up with CPD points. My way of thinking though, is if you spend all that time at uni, and doing practical work, the aim at the end of the day is to be registered. 3k is tiny compared to the time and money spent on the course and learning. CAD software such as revit is also dreadfully expensive in NZ.

Unfortionatley with some of the design courses, there is no option but to do all nighters, especially if you find out you are on the wrong track and have to start again, or you are in a group situation on a project.

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  Reply # 567516 11-Jan-2012 18:42
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mattwnz:...a group situation on a project.
The bane of my tertiary career...

You need to keep up with CPD points throughout each year to keep your registration. I don't believe you need to reapply at any point unless you don't get the required CPD points. I can't remember how many are needed for each year but when I was working in chch the reps for some firms were able to give points out for just listening to them harp on about their favourite new flooring system... it's not hard to get enough to continue your reg. that's for sure.

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mattwnz:
tardtasticx: Hmm thanks for clearing that up then. I can't remember where it was tat said you don't have to be registered. Oh well.


You can call yourself an 'archutectural designer' without being registered, but to legally call yourslef an architect you do need to be registered. This is what annoys me about job adverts for things sucg as IT architects, which are often just advertised as 'Architect'.. They do use the word 'architect' in their title, yet someone who has train to be an architect can't use the word in their title until they are registered.

Ditto "Engineers". You'll find the same thing with a lot of professions where the meaning has become diluted over time. So far, I haven't seen the same thing happen to Accountants or Actuaries.

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  Reply # 567991 12-Jan-2012 15:36
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mattwnz:
tardtasticx: Hmm thanks for clearing that up then. I can't remember where it was tat said you don't have to be registered. Oh well.


You can call yourself an 'archutectural designer' without being registered, but to legally call yourslef an architect you do need to be registered. This is what annoys me about job adverts for things sucg as IT architects, which are often just advertised as 'Architect'.. They do use the word 'architect' in their title, yet someone who has train to be an architect can't use the word in their title until they are registered.

Ditto "Engineers". You'll find the same?thing with a lot of professions where the meaning has become diluted over time. So far, I haven't seen the same thing happen to Accountants or Actuaries.


Yeah, you can probably call yourself an 'systems engineer' for IT without any formal qualifications, but if you have engineering qualifications, you possibly can mention engineer in your title until you are registered. Fair enough too, but I think they should prevent other professions using the term too, to prevent confusion.

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I've not done one single all nighter in my life. Treat Uni like a job and you won't need to. My grades are well within the top range for me to never consider doing one.


+1 If you treat your studies as a job, then your first professional job will be easier :)




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  Reply # 567997 12-Jan-2012 15:47
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So the results are officially out from nzqa. Unitec would hav gotten them before us. So when do you reckon they'll come out saying its been full accepted? It says on the nzqa site that I have university entrance too.




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tardtasticx: So the results are officially out from nzqa. Unitec would hav gotten them before us. So when do you reckon they'll come out saying its been full accepted? It says on the nzqa site that I have university entrance too.

None of us work at Unitec, bro. It's impossible to say. Having UE doesn't guarantee you a place at uni (in fact, Unitec isn't a university so I don't know if you even need UE to get in there) so that's irrelevant. You're just one student out of thousands are are applying to all the tertiary institutions in the country. They'll get to your application when they get to it. It's no big deal, I can tell you almost for sure that they will get to it by the time you need to know to start the course.

Even though they may get the results before you, I don't believe they would start processing them for real much earlier. It's in nobody's interest for NZQA et al to sit on the results for days before releasing them to the students, is it?

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  Reply # 568041 12-Jan-2012 17:11
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I've not done one single all nighter in my life. Treat Uni like a job and you won't need to. My grades are well within the top range for me to never consider doing one.


+1 If you treat your studies as a job, then your first professional job will be easier :)


That is true, but some of these professional degrees are tough such as medicine and architecture, and even the best planners sometimes have to do all nighters. I don't think there will be too many people who have done those degrees without doing a few all nighters.

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