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532 posts

Ultimate Geek

#572389 23-Jan-2012 15:03

bigal_nz:
John2010: [Your use of terms like "going to get you",?"get you out by force, which comes with its own set of (even higher) risks & dangers" is saying if anyone locks themselves in a room with armed police in the house then they are likely to be shot.

Worrying comments from you if you do happen to be an ex or existing copper.??
????

Give up peacefully, or resist. Resisting even passively has a far higher potential for someone to get hurt. Common sense. Nothing worrying in that.

Well as I have seen, for example, persons apparantly being arrested and definitely not resisting at all having their heads slammed into the side of a police car I'll have to discard your comments as naive. Others tell me they have seen similar abuses.

Have also seen people minding their own business (ordinary pedestrians just waiting to cross a road) being abused as a bunch of jaywalkers by a car load of NZ Police as they drove by.

So, as I say I would not trust a bunch of hyped up NZ Police on an armed adventure for one moment whether I was a criminal or not. In the Megaupload case I would trust a saferoom and a call to a lawyer from there as being the better option.

I have worked in a number of countries where the police are always armed (including with automatic rifles and shotguns) and I would have fewer qualms with them as being armed is not an adventure to them, just routine, so they're not hyped up. They also do not tend to be dressed as if they were stormtroopers when entering a domestic dwelling to arrest not a violent criminal but someone who is claimed to operate illegal websites.

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nzlemming

79 posts

Master Geek

#572422 23-Jan-2012 16:26

sen8or: From last time I spoke with NZFACT guy, organised crime are well and truely into counterfeit / pirated movies.

Tony Eaton is paid by the MPAA (which wholly owns and finances NZFACT) to say exactly those things to you and politicians. He produces no evidence of the alleged "gang involvement" or even of the economic harm that "piracy" is supposed to cause. Relying on NZFACT for accurate information about digital access to content is like relying on tobacco companies for information about the harm of smoking.

Brendan

716 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

#572426 23-Jan-2012 16:34

nzlemming:
sen8or: From last time I spoke with NZFACT guy, organised crime are well and truely into counterfeit / pirated movies.

Tony Eaton is paid by the MPAA (which wholly owns and finances NZFACT) to say exactly those things to you and politicians. He produces no evidence of the alleged "gang involvement" or even of the economic harm that "piracy" is supposed to cause. Relying on NZFACT for accurate information about digital access to content is like relying on tobacco companies for information about the harm of smoking.

Well said.

If NZFACT is funded in any way by the MPAA, I think we can rule out ANY so-called 'facts' from them. The MPAA and RIAA have been shown all too many times to LIE, omit, distort facts, pay off politicians and line their own pockets.

To me and many others, MPAA and RIAA are synonyms for LIARS. I would not believe them if they said the sky was blue - I'd be checking.

If there is any racketeering going on, I think we should be investigating the MPAA first and foremost.

Scum, all of them. Like asking the fox how many hens were in the chicken coop!

nzlemming

79 posts

Master Geek

#572466 23-Jan-2012 17:36

Brendan:
If NZFACT is funded in any way by the MPAA, I think we can rule out ANY so-called 'facts' from them. The MPAA and RIAA have been shown all too many times to LIE, omit, distort facts, pay off politicians and line their own pockets.

The three directors and shareholders are:
Michael Charles ELLIS
88 Robertson Quay, #04-08 Robertson Blue, Singapore 238246 ,

Matthew Thomas CHEETHAM
#22-52 Mandarin Gardens, Singapore 448908 ,

   Antony Hugh William EATON
Level 3, 16 College Hill, Ponsonby, Auckland 1140 , New Zealand
http://bit.ly/yVGUtl - Link to the Companies Office information

Michael C. Ellis is the President and Managing Director of the Asia-Pacific Region for the Motion Picture Association (MPA) and Motion Picture Association International (MPA-I).

Matthew Cheetham is the Regional Legal Counsel, Asia Pacific, Motion Picture Association International (MPA-I) and was previously its Director of operations

Tony Eaton is the director (and staff) of NZFACT and also General Manager of the Motion Picture Distributors Association of NZ. He is also a former Police prosecutor.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-eaton/a/2b8/549

Interestingly, I find that he is also a director of the American  Chamber of Commerce in New Zealand
http://amcham.co.nz/about-us

sen8or

1760 posts

Uber Geek

#572467 23-Jan-2012 17:39

And yet relying on "facts" from spin doctors of the telecommunications industry is equally as reliable? I mean, ofcourse telecom etc would have no vested interest in ensuring that people are using as much data as humanly possible?

nzlemming

79 posts

Master Geek

#572468 23-Jan-2012 17:43

sen8or: And yet relying on "facts" from spin doctors of the telecommunications industry is equally as reliable? I mean, ofcourse telecom etc would have no vested interest in ensuring that people are using as much data as humanly possible?

????? When did anyone mention Telecom? Or anyone else in the telco industry? Is that you, Tony, under a pseudonym? You still owe me a coffee...

sen8or

1760 posts

Uber Geek

#572470 23-Jan-2012 17:53

yes my name is Tony, no, not Tony Eaton, but coffee is one of my obsessions....

Loismustdye

920 posts

Ultimate Geek

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#572510 23-Jan-2012 20:14

sen8or: From last time I spoke with NZFACT guy, organised crime are well and truely into counterfeit / pirated movies.

D/Load then copy a movie onto DVDr material, whats the cost, 30 - 50c for the disc?

Sell it at the markets etc, $10 - $15 a piece, tidy profit.

Get caught, slap on the hand at best and then go back and do it again

Why would people buy a pirated movie when they can buy the actual thing legally from somewhere like amazon UK for the same price.

If amazon UK took out non-stop "harvey norman style" advertising here in NZ piracy sales would stop overnight. Wouldn't stop the downlaoders from downloading for their own personal use though.

crackrdbycracku

1168 posts

Uber Geek

#572512 23-Jan-2012 20:34

Yeah, the number of people on here who regularly discuss going to the expense and hassle of setting up a VPN solely for the purposes of paying to watch movies and TV shows on NetFlix is extensive. It seems pretty obvious that access to content is part of the solution.

How about fighting piracy with a convenient, reasonably priced paid service .... like NetFlix? Oh, yeah... it would wreck things for Sky and .... well ... we can't have that can we?

Anyway, I have a question. Why is breach of copyright a criminal offense? Why isn't it a case of those alleging a breach taking those possibly in breach to civil court to see a remedy? I have a funny feeling it is because the 'piracy is theft' campaign has been successful.

Crackedbycracku

Didn't anybody tell you I was a hacker?

gmball

565 posts

Ultimate Geek

#572518 23-Jan-2012 20:56

Interesting that broadbandmap.govt.nz clearly shows a Telecom Fibre optic cable running right to the front door of Kim dotcom's house in coatesville. Looks like a cable was run quite some distance to reach his location, Im sure at significant cost too..

Wonder what he needed that sort of capacity for, maybe he was running part of his website from NZ?

gzt

16882 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#572519 23-Jan-2012 20:56

Some utterly inaccurate reporting from the Herald:

"Dotcom and six others are alleged to be part of a group called the "Mega Conspiracy'', accused of reproducing and distributing infringing copies of copyright works - including movies, television programmes, music, software and books"

Actually, no, not at all. There is no group called the "Mega Conspiracy". The US government has named this group "The Mega Conspiracy". The US government has charged each person with engaging in actions together with the others, and this constitutes a 'conspiracy' under US law.

Way too difficult for the Herald...

In the very early days, search providers like Google and other search providers (just because of links) fought off similar actions , but none brought by the US government as far as I am aware.

sen8or

1760 posts

Uber Geek

#572521 23-Jan-2012 21:01

Didnt sky try setting up a movie download service, and wasn't that even originally part of telecoms "tivo" service?

With a total of what, 750,000 - 1,000,000 households or so in NZ (?), is there really any potential for a decent return on the massive level of investment needed for a paid service? Add into that the wonderful state of our broadband, and the potential nose dives even further.

Out of that 1 million or so households, how many are likely to have the technology or technological know how to actually utilise a d/load service, then out of those that "could", how many would? Granted, the bulk of the users on the board will fit into the category of someone who would. If it could deliver blu-ray quality video AND audio in real time with no stuttering or dropouts etc, I might even subscribe (no idea on what bandwith would be required to stream a 40gb+file in realtime over a 2 hour movie), but equally, if it couldn't deliver that level of quality or service I'd happily stick to a disc that does.

Netflix achieves what they do through the sheer size of their market, basic maths and return on investment. In a country where the population is so broadly spread, the numbers just wouldn't add up. Even fatso with their by the post service is still only as big as 2 or 3 "average" video shops, and thats for a whole country, again, netflix simply has the numbers where we don't.

Will we be watching disc based content in 5 years, almost certainly, with millions of DVD players and Blu-ray players in the market, content providers are hardly going to abandon the income source, 10 years, possibly,but it is likely that some other delivery system will be significant in the market, beyond that, who knows, pretty unlikely that discs will be anything other than nostelgia (much like vinyl LPs, although these are still popular for the purists).

nzlemming

79 posts

Master Geek

#572523 23-Jan-2012 21:04

crackrdbycracku:
Why is breach of copyright a criminal offense? Why isn't it a case of those alleging a breach taking those possibly in breach to civil court to see a remedy? I have a funny feeling it is because the 'piracy is theft' campaign has been successful.

There are two levels of copyright infringement - personal, i.e. making copies for your own use, and criminal - making copies for commercial gain. Personal infringement is a civil matter. ("Personal infringement" is not the technical term, by the way, but I can't remember what it is)

Section 131 of the Copyright Act details criminal infringement.

mattwnz

20032 posts

Uber Geek

#572527 23-Jan-2012 21:19

Read someone quoting that this could be the start of the death of cloud storage (...-2012) Looks like a lot of these sorts companies have now blocked access to only personal access,

crackrdbycracku

1168 posts

Uber Geek

#572528 23-Jan-2012 21:20

sen8or:

Will we be watching disc based content in 5 years, almost certainly, with millions of DVD players and Blu-ray players in the market, content providers are hardly going to abandon the income source, 10 years, possibly.

I'd bet a dd-wrt router that someone said that about VHS in the '90s. I and everybody else was amazed at how fast the change went, six head VCRs were barely on the market by the time they were obsolete.

I am actually surprised at how successful BluRay has been.

Didn't anybody tell you I was a hacker?

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