Murder Mystery: Tracey Ann Patient

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Wannabe Geek

# 782704 16-Mar-2013 15:32

Debiarbi: Hi Rose,

I hope you and your family are well.

The police didn't say anything about the person's accent. I could ask them, but I doubt if it was something they would know now. Did the daughter's husband have an accent?

My family and I appreciate what you tried to do for Tracey. I feel bad about the way you were treated. The police should never have told him that you had given them the information.

The police are saying that although a few new leads (about 7, I believe) came in after the Herald article in January, it will be months before they can look into them because they are dealing with the homicide of the security guard in Henderson. I can understand that current crimes should be prioritised, but it seems to me that, apart from a couple of officers in Henderson, nobody is interested in solving such an old case. Yet, in the States, Europe, etc, old cases are being solved all the time.

Take care of yourself, and thanks again for trying to help.

Does anyone out there know of any ways I can publicise this more? I'd like to set up a website /blog to try to bring attention to the fact that Tracey's case has never been solved, despite the fact that there are several leads (I was informed a couple of years ago that at least one of the leads was 'quite promising'- I was told last year that a meeting was going to take place with some senior members of the NZ police force to dicuss it, but it got put off for various reasons, and now it is back on the back burner again). It all seems to come down to lack of resources. I'm not very tech minded though, and wouldn't know how or where to start. I did contact John Key a couple of years ago, to ask if some of the '650 extra police officers' he was planning to recruit could be put on to Tracey's case, and other cold cases. He just passed me on to Judith Collins though, who sent me a polite but dismissive reply.

Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Rest assured Debiarbi there are a lot of baby boomers who are well aware of Tracys case. I have followed it, from the day I heard about it(maybe because I was the same age as Tracy). It was one of those moments you remember (the Tuesday after at athletics night). It shocked Auckland and I would suggest most of NZ. I live in Australia now but always check up with the news in NZ. If I can be kept up to date in Australia then I am sure that it is still on the radar in NZ. A lot of people feel your grief and want to see justice. Lets hope that day will be soon.

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# 784178 20-Mar-2013 03:28

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Master Geek

# 1481084 29-Jan-2016 10:16

Just seen this case reopening officially announced could that number of been a car rego plate older plate numbers before having two letters at the front were of similar format.

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# 1481238 29-Jan-2016 14:14

All long before my time in NZ.

However, I wondered if it could be one of those codes that use a book as a key and that the intention of the calling back might have been to give the name of the book.

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# 1481312 29-Jan-2016 15:55

Debiarbi when did you last speak to the police about this, they may have fresh staff on the case now which could bring a different outcome.

Debiarbi

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# 1488389 9-Feb-2016 21:25

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Hi BTR, I was in NZ last month. I met the officers who have been working on Tracey's case full time since November. They are a focused, dedicated team and my family and I have 100% confidence that they are doing all they can to solve the case. Their media campaign has been very successful and has resulted in hundreds of calls to the 0800 number. Some are from people with theories about the number, some are people naming people who they think could be suspects. All calls are gratefully received.

My family and I have been overwhelmed by the messages of support that have come through from the public, and by the amount of people who have watched the video and shared it with others (over 200k have seen it so far, on the police's facebook pages alone). So many people remember the case clearly, and many have talked about the effect it had on their own childhood.

Sites like Geekzone are very useful too, as they help to keep the case current online, and encourage people to post their theories about the number. Everything helps!

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# 1491268 12-Feb-2016 16:44

Any suggestions?

We hire Lt Kenda to come and train NZ detectives in how to actually detect?

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Wannabe Geek

# 1541435 25-Apr-2016 07:30

A very simple suggestion.

1+2+6+0+4+0=13.

Tracey Patient was 13 year-old...

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# 1584967 3-Jul-2016 09:15

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/80206223/tracey-ann-patient-cold-case-new-witness-comes-forward

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Wannabe Geek

# 1852579 25-Aug-2017 14:06

Hi Debiarbi,

Thank you for taking your time over the years to bring out these sorts of details. I believe very strongly that by keeping these things in the public eye and bringing out details of the case, the police can eventually get to the bottom of what happened through public support.

I am wondering if the number could be connected to the location in which she was found? I have read that it was somewhere in the bushland near Scenic Drive, but Scenic Drive is a very long road.

I am sorry if it brings out unwanted memories or is too difficult a question, but do you know more specifically the place where the police found her?

wesley

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Wannabe Geek

# 1926248 28-Dec-2017 17:48

Black ink = Tracey's walk home. Red ink = journey home from work of possible suspect abducting Tracey. Purple ink = alternative journey home of suspect after abducting Tracey and off loading her body in Scenic Drive Swanson.

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# 1926254 28-Dec-2017 18:40

I agree with others that it was most likely a reference number to identify him in subsequent calls after establishing his credibility with the ring in the first call.

Perhaps changed his mind due to his, family or associates involvement in the crime.

The number does look a lot like numbers you get on combination locks. Ie 12-60-40

Perhaps it came to mind through his use of these locks.

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Wannabe Geek

# 1931503 6-Jan-2018 22:09

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/76331769/The-Tracey-Ann-Patient-case-a-timeline

It's possible the 6 digit number could be something to do with the Thames Van.

"1977: A road map with Tracey's name written on it is found in a Ford Thames van. A Ford Thames van was seen in the area at the time Tracey vanished. The van's owner is cleared but he had bought the van after the murder, and the owner at the time of the murder has not been found. "

"November 1977: An anonymous caller tells police a signet ring Tracey was wearing could be found in a rubbish bin at an Avondale shopping mall. Police find the ring, believed to have been given to Tracey by a boyfriend, in the bin. However they are unable to track down the caller. The caller also tells police that the number 126040 is connected with Tracey's death, but police do not uncover the meaning of the number."

I would have thought the owner of the van would be the prime suspect.
The mysterious number (126040) could be something related to the ownership papers of the van. Chassis no. or mileage when the vehicle changed hands. (Given the vans were no longer made after 1965)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thames_400E

Assuming that the anonymous caller made their phone call after, the Ford Thames Van with the map inside had become public knowledge. Using the mysterious number to prove the call wasn't some kind of hoax.

Also I can see why the Police were dismissive of the Gary Ross sighting, because for Tracey being seen at the Henderson shops, she would have had to of been walking in the opposite direction to her home off Great North Road.

wesley

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# 1941674 17-Jan-2018 20:34

Twenty-two months after Tracey’s murder (November 1978), Police received a phone call from an anonymous person, who told Police that a signet ring Tracey owned was in a rubbish bin outside a chemist in Avondale. The caller gave the call taker the number “126040” and said he would call back later. Officers went to the rubbish bin and found a ring inside, which is believed to have been the ring Tracey was wearing when she went missing and had been given to her by a boyfriend.

I've just read the above text from the "Operation Tracey" New Zealand Police Youtube site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is4Ht-MasAw

So was the ring found in Avondale in November 1977, some 22 months later as stated in some news articles or was it in November 1978 which is 34 months later ? It's quite important.

forrestfire765

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Wannabe Geek

# 1946056 24-Jan-2018 14:39

Is the specific chemist that the rubbish bin was placed in front of known? I wonder if it was a place that the anonymous caller would frequent, or otherwise had a connection to.

Also with the map, I notice that a property on Mihini road is used. Is this based on known details about a particular suspect? From what I can see on google maps, at least, Mihini road is now quite industrialised. with few (if any) houses.

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