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  Reply # 580238 11-Feb-2012 19:25
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jeffnz: SBW is being marketed very well and I don't disagree with the nay sayers at all in this. In my opnion he didn't do much for the AB's except get a tick in the box for his CV and satisfy AB's sponsors. Yes he is a good athlete but I think he has succumbed to thinking he is great and he ins't, yet.

I for one hope he goes back to league as he didn't do much for rugby


When did he say he thinks he's great?

He's defo a better league player than a rugby player but the AB selectors wouldn't have picked him for the RWC if he wasn't up to it.

I'm not a huge SBW fan but I enjoyed watching him play league and I just don't understand why the negativity.  Don't hate the player, hate the game.



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  Reply # 580248 11-Feb-2012 19:51
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jeffnz: SBW is being marketed very well and I don't disagree with the nay sayers at all in this. In my opnion he didn't do much for the AB's except get a tick in the box for his CV and satisfy AB's sponsors. Yes he is a good athlete but I think he has succumbed to thinking he is great and he ins't, yet.

I for one hope he goes back to league as he didn't do much for rugby


I actually don't agree with you here. He is a reasonable rugby player. I am not 100% sure he is top level All Blacks but I see the potential for him to be amazing. I think he would have done a little better if his profile hadn't been so significant. He was being carefully guarded by the other teams and when did you last see offloading like he does in Rugby before he came along?

He has actually done a fair bit for Rugby, some people are watching more Rugby because he is playing, people are interested and watching him. He has raised the profile of NZ Rugby too. 

I think you ought to give credit where credit is due, even if you don't like the guy.
 

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  Reply # 580257 11-Feb-2012 20:16
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jeffnz: SBW is being marketed very well and I don't disagree with the nay sayers at all in this. In my opnion he didn't do much for the AB's except get a tick in the box for his CV and satisfy AB's sponsors. Yes he is a good athlete but I think he has succumbed to thinking he is great and he ins't, yet.

I for one hope he goes back to league as he didn't do much for rugby


When did he say he thinks he's great?

He's defo a better league player than a rugby player but the AB selectors wouldn't have picked him for the RWC if he wasn't up to it.

I'm not a huge SBW fan but I enjoyed watching him play league and I just don't understand why the negativity.  Don't hate the player, hate the game.


Never mentioned that he had said anything I was meaning he is being put on a pedestal at a young age and I hope it doesn't ruin him as it has others.

I don't hate anyone you are the one mentioning hate, if you don't like my opinion that's fine but don't make out I said more than I did.




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  Reply # 580258 11-Feb-2012 20:21
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jeffnz: SBW is being marketed very well and I don't disagree with the nay sayers at all in this. In my opnion he didn't do much for the AB's except get a tick in the box for his CV and satisfy AB's sponsors. Yes he is a good athlete but I think he has succumbed to thinking he is great and he ins't, yet.

I for one hope he goes back to league as he didn't do much for rugby


I actually don't agree with you here. He is a reasonable rugby player. I am not 100% sure he is top level All Blacks but I see the potential for him to be amazing. I think he would have done a little better if his profile hadn't been so significant. He was being carefully guarded by the other teams and when did you last see offloading like he does in Rugby before he came along?

He has actually done a fair bit for Rugby, some people are watching more Rugby because he is playing, people are interested and watching him. He has raised the profile of NZ Rugby too. 

I think you ought to give credit where credit is due, even if you don't like the guy.
 


once again, never said I didn't like him actually have nothing against him  other than what I have already said and I blame that on the marketers and managers using him as a symbol rather than developing him as a good rugby player. However he has a history of going where is good for his profile rather than his country, once again that is most likely on the advice of others that have monetary goals rather than SBW's best interests.

 




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  Reply # 580260 11-Feb-2012 20:29
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once again, never said I didn't like him actually have nothing against him  other than what I have already said and I blame that on the marketers and managers using him as a symbol rather than developing him as a good rugby player. However he has a history of going where is good for his profile rather than his country, once again that is most likely on the advice of others that have monetary goals rather than SBW's best interests.

 


Well I'd say they are acting in HIS best interests, just not perhaps in anyone elses :)

I'd have like to see him commit for another year at least, and who knows, if he gets good game time and starts to develop, and the NZRU give him the freedom and money he wants, well there is a reasonable chance he will stay.  

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  Reply # 580262 11-Feb-2012 20:35
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Lots of opinions.

Here are mine.

I like him, its a pity he never got much game time in the RWC. Its also a pity that what appeared to be a move to rugger and all the plusses that will bring, has ended up as being only a RWC/AB tick on his CV. Good for him, not for the rugger enjoying public.

Boxing wise, its a bt of a farce. he cannot box, and when he boxes an overweight benefitciary, its all a bit silly. If he wants credibility, he needs to face up to a real boxer and sooner than later face, a Tua/Cameron type.

A marketers dream, I have no idea how much of that is his wish, I don't know so I give some benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day, he's back in NRL, out of rugby, and I ignore the boxing, so its been a flash in the night. I liked what I saw on the rugby field, but now it's all like it never happened, here one minute and gone the next.

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  Reply # 580263 11-Feb-2012 20:38
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 I don't hate anyone you are the one mentioning hate, if you don't like my opinion that's fine but don't make out I said more than I did.


It's a saying, not an implication that you actually hate him
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Don't+Hate+The+Playa%2FPlayette+Hate+The+Game 

I don't believe there is loyalty in professional sport whether it be to club or country. In this day and age I believe a pro sportsman that plays a physical sport like rugby/league/boxing should try to earn as much as he can with the limited time they have.  SBW is doing extremely well whether we like his management or not and he serviced NZ Rugby as much as was required of him otherwise he'd have been cut.



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  Reply # 580265 11-Feb-2012 20:39
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Sorry don't believe they are doing it for him only using him for their own gain, sure they are marketing him well but at such a young age he is going to listen to whatever they say which may not be good for him in the long run. Hopefully I'm wrong maybe I should put on my rose colored lenses and say only nice things that others may like.




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  Reply # 580269 11-Feb-2012 20:46
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tdgeek: Lots of opinions.

Here are mine.

I like him, its a pity he never got much game time in the RWC. Its also a pity that what appeared to be a move to rugger and all the plusses that will bring, has ended up as being only a RWC/AB tick on his CV. Good for him, not for the rugger enjoying public.

Boxing wise, its a bt of a farce. he cannot box, and when he boxes an overweight benefitciary, its all a bit silly. If he wants credibility, he needs to face up to a real boxer and sooner than later face, a Tua/Cameron type.

A marketers dream, I have no idea how much of that is his wish, I don't know so I give some benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day, he's back in NRL, out of rugby, and I ignore the boxing, so its been a flash in the night. I liked what I saw on the rugby field, but now it's all like it never happened, here one minute and gone the next.


Fair enough, everyones entitled to their own opinion but why must he fight a top ranked fighter at the start of his boxing career for credibility.  I can't think of any boxer in history that started out their career by taking on the best, they build up to it.  Tua or Cameron would kill him so it would just be plain foolish to jump in the ring with them at this stage.  They interviewed Shane Cameron before the fight and he actually said Tilman was a good fighter who had sparred with some of the best (Holyfield to name one) and he thought SBW would be in for a tough fight.

I'm not saying SBW is a good boxer, he's definitely improved but he's go a long way to go and we can't expect him to fight the more noted fighters until he's softened up a few fatties :-)

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  Reply # 580277 11-Feb-2012 20:59
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bigmal some of us are giving an opinion which you obviously don't agree with, that's fine but understand we aren't being negative in our eyes, for myself I was saying it as I see it and your posts have done nothing to convince me otherwise.

I'm happy to be proven wrong and wish him no ill but I think he's being used and apart from his celebrity status would he have been rushed into the AB's with so little experience, maybe maybe not but one thing is glaringly obvious he has no loyalty to teams or country just fame.





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  Reply # 580293 11-Feb-2012 21:11
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jeffnz: bigmal some of us are giving an opinion which you obviously don't agree with, that's fine but understand we aren't being negative in our eyes, for myself I was saying it as I see it and your posts have done nothing to convince me otherwise.

I'm happy to be proven wrong and wish him no ill but I think he's being used and apart from his celebrity status would he have been rushed into the AB's with so little experience, maybe maybe not but one thing is glaringly obvious he has no loyalty to teams or country just fame.



Well the way I've been reading this thread I've seen several negative opinions including your "he didn't do much for the AB's except get a tick in the box for his CV and satisfy AB's sponsors".

Whilst our opinions may differ I can't help but see your statement as being negative.

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  Reply # 580294 11-Feb-2012 21:16
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Alright alright, yes we all have opinions and they differ. Let's leave it there . . .

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  Reply # 580295 11-Feb-2012 21:17
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I'm not going to go around in circles so suffice we differ in opinions and leave it at that.




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  Reply # 580307 11-Feb-2012 22:07
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Good on SBW, Boxing skill aside he has accomplished more then most couldn't dream of doing.

As for fighting I would love to see him Monty Betham. Both athletes and both similar boxing experience. I might pay for that PPV

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  Reply # 580408 12-Feb-2012 10:32
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Bigmal

I did say sooner than later, not now.

As it is, he is now a NZ Heavyweight Champion. Now, that is ridiculous.

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