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  # 648096 29-Jun-2012 11:37
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techmeister:
Ragnor: Basically the wholesale price ISP's pay to Chorus for use of the line and dsl equipment etc.

Telecom are not offering a residential VDSL2 service yet.

imo for residential VDSL2 talk to Snap, for professional or business VDSL2 talk to Maxnet or Unleash.



As far as I was told by our Telecom business account manager, they do not  do VDSL2
 residential or business and do not plan to for a long time.
Talk about the fastest way to to get rid of your business customers!
We have been forced to go to another provider (HD) I guess it all ends up in the same pocket anyway.



Yeah right now VDSL2 is a way better option bang for buck for most businesses than ADSL2+ or HSNS fibre/copper - at least until GPON UFB is more widely available.

I suspect the de-merger of Chorus consumed a huge amount of time and resource and Telecom simply don't have the billing and internal tools in place to offer VDSL2 yet.

Chorus is a completely separate company now so it doesn't end up in the same pocket.





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  # 648099 29-Jun-2012 11:42
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Ragnor: Basically the wholesale price ISP's pay to Chorus for use of the line and dsl equipment etc.

Telecom are not offering a residential VDSL2 service yet.

imo for residential VDSL2 talk to Snap, for professional or business VDSL2 talk to Maxnet or Unleash.



are you referring to the monthly or one off price? 

Is it possible the monthly fee is the same, but the install costs more? or vice versa? or both? Aside from maybe specifying a filter installed, it seems to me the installation would be identical?

unfortunately if the vdsl pricing doesn't start to align with adsl2 - and fibre, it's going to be very under utilised imo.



The monthly price for Chorus WVS (Wholesale VDSL Service), naked or standard variants.

It's definitely more expensive than the price of Chorus EUBA or the older BUBA (naked or standard variants) which most ISP's use to provide ADSL2+ service currently (except where they have their on equipment: Vodafone red, Orcon purple etc).

VDSL2 wholesale price being higher does have some justification in that is can consume more backhaul/handover resources than ADSL2+ and has lower contention/higher minimum guaranteed performance etc.

See
http://www.chorus.co.nz/layer-2



 
 
 
 




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  # 648520 29-Jun-2012 23:19
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Well, just hooked up my first customer to the VDSL2 connection, via Hosting Direct and wow what a fast connection it is, really a much better connection than ADSL2.
The VOIP calls are very clear and crisp way better than analog and no lag at all.
It is very hard to convince the small businesses in our town to ditch their analog lines for digital, they just do not believe VOIP has good quality and is reliable enough but with VDSL2 it is a no brainer.
The business I hooked up still has an analog line but I think they will be getting rid of that very soon.





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  # 648558 30-Jun-2012 08:24
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techmeister: Well, just hooked up my first customer to the VDSL2 connection, via Hosting Direct and wow what a fast connection it is, really a much better connection than ADSL2.
The VOIP calls are very clear and crisp way better than analog and no lag at all.
It is very hard to convince the small businesses in our town to ditch their analog lines for digital, they just do not believe VOIP has good quality and is reliable enough but with VDSL2 it is a no brainer.
The business I hooked up still has an analog line but I think they will be getting rid of that very soon.



What happens when the power goes out or the internet is down or laggy? I suggest you leave one line in place. 

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if internet reliability is an issue, use a modem that'll allow a 3g usb stick to be added (fritzbox or draytek vdsl units both do thisl
if power reliability is an issue, setup a small ups.

I have small businesses who've been without a fixed line for over a yr and they've never plugged in the 3g stick I gave them 'in case of emergencies'
In akl power is reliable enough to skimp on a ups (imho) but elsewhere, coromandel for instance, it's a must have.

either way a fixed copper line for failover is no longer necessary when the system is correctly setup (at least, inasmuch as I've found with what I've done)
if all else fails, use a cellphone, the incoming calls can be routed to the cell very easily if need be.
in my experience, the amount you spend on cellphone forwarding and 3g data will be far far less than a years copper line rental.



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techmeister: Well, just hooked up my first customer to the VDSL2 connection, via Hosting Direct and wow what a fast connection it is, really a much better connection than ADSL2.
The VOIP calls are very clear and crisp way better than analog and no lag at all.
It is very hard to convince the small businesses in our town to ditch their analog lines for digital, they just do not believe VOIP has good quality and is reliable enough but with VDSL2 it is a no brainer.
The business I hooked up still has an analog line but I think they will be getting rid of that very soon.



What happens when the power goes out or the internet is down or laggy? I suggest you leave one line in place. 


When power goes out the phones stop working once the UPS's run out(cordless phones) but then again everything stops working computers etc, so can't work anyway, easy to setup a diversion to mobile phones anyway.
As for internet it is as reliable as an analog phone line these days, in the 3 years they have been using VOIP they have never had an outage.
They do still use faxing though so might leave it in for that, it actually only costs them about $10 extra a month anyway. 




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