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#691357 25-Sep-2012 21:09

VDSL Training Status: Showtime
VDSL Profile: Profile 8b
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 4 days: 13 hours: 10 minutes
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VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 10.386 Mbps 52.228 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 10.350 Mbps 52.150 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 18.1 dB 12.3 dB
Actual Delay: 8 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: -18.9 dBm 13.5 dBm
Receive Power: 3.0 dBm 2.0 dBm
Actual INP: 0.5 symbols 0.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 0.0 dB 11.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 14.072 Mbps 57.504 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): N/A 7.7 N/A N/A 22.4 8.5 N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): N/A 7.6 N/A N/A 22.4 8.5 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): N/A 18.1 N/A N/A 12.4 12.1 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): N/A -18.9 N/A N/A 12.9 5.5 N/A
============================================================================

Thats all the stats I can find. I think they look really good. He had a great ADSL connection so I expected VDSL would be just as good.

I have done exactly what Chorus will do with a Dynatel which tests the line and shows any high resistance's or imbalances on the line and it is crystal clear. The drop outs have happened all different times of the day and never a specific time. I am pretty much convinced it is the modem, was just browsing and saw you talking about resysncs and thought I better just ask to make doubly sure.

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stevehodge

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#691360 25-Sep-2012 21:15

chevrolux:
What happens is the DSL drops and then the PPP never comes back up.

He's getting DSL sync but no PPP authentication?

SamF

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#691370 25-Sep-2012 21:32

Yeah, I agree, the stats look pretty good.

Downstream attenuation is 11.7 dB which is ok, but I'm frankly surprised that you're getting 57mbit attainable and 52 actual! That seems quite high for that level of line attenuation. If the router is trying to maintain a higher sync than is realistic it could account for the dropouts.

Looks like you're on DLM-2. How long has the VDSL connection been active on that line?

chevrolux

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#691371 25-Sep-2012 21:33

stevehodge:
chevrolux:
What happens is the DSL drops and then the PPP never comes back up.

He's getting DSL sync but no PPP authentication?

Yea exactly. It will be sweet as for a few days and then it drops out and the PPP never comes back up until you restart the modem again.

SamF

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#691372 25-Sep-2012 21:34

Does it actually lose sync or does PPP only drop out?

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#691401 25-Sep-2012 22:24

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SamF

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#691402 25-Sep-2012 22:25

Bummer dude!!!!

stevehodge

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#691403 25-Sep-2012 22:26

chevrolux:
stevehodge: He's getting DSL sync but no PPP authentication?

Yea exactly. It will be sweet as for a few days and then it drops out and the PPP never comes back up until you restart the modem again.

I agree with you - I suspect the modem.

helis

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#691574 26-Sep-2012 10:30

Another resync this morning. No DLM change but my download speed has increased slightly and my CRCPM errors has gone up from 0.07 to 0.11.

I also looked into my house wiring. It seems the Chorus box on the outside of my house leads to a box at the apex of the front wall. Two cables come out of this. One to the lounge(Where the fritz is connected) and one to the hallway. So if I can conquer my fear of heights I could easily remove the second jack point line.

I also walked to my cabinet to track the distance. Its on my street and 207m's away walking the footpath. So if the cable ran straight to my house and was good quality I'd be seeing a lower attenuation. So I'm wondering how hard it would be to test connecting via the outside box to remove the house wiring as a factor. This way I'd know for sure if its worth running new cable or not.

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#691655 26-Sep-2012 13:08

Hmm, interesting, that's exactly what my line did. Potentially good news because as sidefx said earlier, this happened to him and then he was put onto on DLM-1 two days later!

stevehodge

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#691810 26-Sep-2012 17:04

helis:
I also looked into my house wiring. It seems the Chorus box on the outside of my house leads to a box at the apex of the front wall. Two cables come out of this. One to the lounge(Where the fritz is connected) and one to the hallway. So if I can conquer my fear of heights I could easily remove the second jack point line.

Are the two jacks connected to the same line? If they are not then there is no point in disconnecting the other jack. I'd open up that box and have a look. Also, what sort of cable comes out of that box? Is it standard phone cable or Cat 5e/Cat 6?

Take a look at http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/2037/minimum_communication_cabling_requirements.pdf - that's what Chorus are recommending (though I would not bother with RG6 cabling - the future is media delivery over LAN, not over coax).

helis

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#691825 26-Sep-2012 17:40

stevehodge:
helis:
I also looked into my house wiring. It seems the Chorus box on the outside of my house leads to a box at the apex of the front wall. Two cables come out of this. One to the lounge(Where the fritz is connected) and one to the hallway. So if I can conquer my fear of heights I could easily remove the second jack point line.

Are the two jacks connected to the same line? If they are not then there is no point in disconnecting the other jack. I'd open up that box and have a look. Also, what sort of cable comes out of that box? Is it standard phone cable or Cat 5e/Cat 6?

Take a look at http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/2037/minimum_communication_cabling_requirements.pdf - that's what Chorus are recommending (though I would not bother with RG6 cabling - the future is media delivery over LAN, not over coax).

They are the same line. When I moved in I actually tried to put the ADSL router in the hall way but it was never able to sync there. I could plug a phone in and use it fine but when I plugged the router in it never managed to get sync. So I moved the router to the lounge jack and away it went with out any problems. Not sure what this all means though like the phone in the hall way was clear and fine.

The cable looks like cat5 but from a distance I cant be sure. That's why I thought if I tried to connect via the box out side I would be eliminating all internal wiring and giving me a true cabinet to external house stats. If the stats are not much different than I know redoing the wiring will be pointless.

chevrolux

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#691826 26-Sep-2012 17:42

SamF: Does it actually lose sync or does PPP only drop out?

This is the thing I don't really know for sure. He says that the DSL is flashing when he goes to look at the modem, the DSL will come up but the PPP won't know.
I swapped the modem today so will see how we go. Thanks for the suggestions guys!

SamF

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#691876 26-Sep-2012 19:28

Ah yeah, it's dropping sync then I'd say. I'd be leaning towards the modem as well TBH.

SamF

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#691991 27-Sep-2012 07:42

:D

CRC Errors are way too high tho, I might have to up the SNR again or else I'm probably not going to stay on DLM-1...

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