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  # 826150 27-May-2013 13:18
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SamF:
eg;
Attenuation, Distance, Sync, DLM, CRCPM
9db, 350m, 50mbit, 1, 2.5


6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 1, 0.3





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  # 826201 27-May-2013 13:44
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HowickDota:
SamF:
eg;
Attenuation, Distance, Sync, DLM, CRCPM
9db, 350m, 50mbit, 1, 2.5


6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 1, 0.3


think its worth noting the difference between 17a and 8b there...


stevehodge:
hio77: only the login process is different. along with that, the process of getting a query dictionary is completely modular.

What's changed with the login process?


slight change from cgi-bin to login.lua..




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  # 826399 27-May-2013 15:50
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hio77:
stevehodge:
hio77: only the login process is different. along with that, the process of getting a query dictionary is completely modular.

What's changed with the login process?


slight change from cgi-bin to login.lua..

You're using login.lua and then getting the sid from the redirect to the home page? I've got login working using webcm in perl so I'm curious about what's changed with the new firmware. I take the webcm stuff is gone?

Thanks for working all this stuff out by the way.

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  # 826408 27-May-2013 15:57
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I think we need a little more info. I've added the profile and the SNRM target (for those that have adjusted it).

Attenuation, Distance, Sync, Profile, DLM, CRCPM, SNRMT
SamF: 9db, 350m, 50mbit, 8b, 1, 2.5, ?
HowickDota: 6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 17a, 1, 0.3, ?
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10


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  # 826419 27-May-2013 16:04
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stevehodge:
hio77:
stevehodge:
hio77: only the login process is different. along with that, the process of getting a query dictionary is completely modular.

What's changed with the login process?


slight change from cgi-bin to login.lua..

You're using login.lua and then getting the sid from the redirect to the home page? I've got login working using webcm in perl so I'm curious about what's changed with the new firmware. I take the webcm stuff is gone?

Thanks for working all this stuff out by the way.


yep, the xml page for login was removed.. replaced with the lua page, if you do some googling on fritzbox login.lua, you will come across a few scripts a few have done up, basicly handling the changes in that.. once i commit all the changes ill stick up a link to my git showing it all if you want.


stevehodge: I think we need a little more info. I've added the profile and the SNRM target (for those that have adjusted it).

Attenuation, Distance, Sync, Profile, DLM, CRCPM, SNRMT
SamF: 9db, 350m, 50mbit, 8b, 1, 2.5, ?
HowickDota: 6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 17a, 1, 0.3, ?
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10



only problem with distance, is unless the user asks snap or such, its purely assumptions on the copper length.. 

isnt there a post somewhere from the truenet guy (gone blank of his name) where at his distance his line is getting higher than most.. ill have to find the link when im back on my pc.




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  # 826432 27-May-2013 16:14
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I don't think we should share sync rates as it just makes me jealous ;)

Attenuation, Distance, Sync, Profile, DLM, CRCPM, SNRMT
SamF: 9db, 350m, 50mbit, 8b, 1, 2.5, ?
HowickDota: 6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 17a, 1, 0.3, ?
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10
JamesL: 12-13db, 400m, 34.2mbit, 8b, 1, ?, ?

Can only guess attentuation because the Zyxel seems to report per band and total attenuation doesn't match my distance from the cabinet



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  # 826451 27-May-2013 16:33
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stevehodge: I think we need a little more info. I've added the profile and the SNRM target (for those that have adjusted it).


The original intention of this was to gather untweaked line stats, but we could do both I guess, could be useful for future reference.

stevehodge:
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10


I assume by '10', you mean 1db?  Also, do you have your untweaked stats?

 
 
 
 


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  # 826456 27-May-2013 16:34
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Added a few historical cases for me. Might be interesting to look at how variable the syncs are.

Attenuation, Distance, Sync, Profile, DLM, CRCPM, SNRM
SamF: 9db, 350m, 50mbit, 8b, 1, 2.5, ?
HowickDota: 6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 17a, 1, 0.3, ?
JamesL: 12-13db, 500m, 34.2mbit, 8b, 1, ?, ?
SteveH: 4db, 130m, 47968, 8b, 1, 3, 10
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 44720, 8b, 1, 0.87, 11
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 44720, 8b, 1, 0.52, 11
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 43872, 8b, 1, 0.82, 12 (Intended SNRM up 1db)
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 42296, 8b, 1, 0.14, 13 (Intended SNRM up 2db)
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 49576, 8b, 1, 6, 5 (weird sync with very low SNRM)
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 50608, 8b, 1, 19, 11 (another weird sync though SNRM is normal)
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 58616, 17a, 1, 0.08, 14 (Intended SNRM up 2db)
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10

As hio77 said the distance is really just guesswork.

SNRM is what the Fritz reports as "Signal-to-noise ratio" on the DSL tab. The target is 12db (unless you've changed "Intended signal-to-noise ratio" on the Line Settings tab on DownstreamMarginOffset in the config file. When I was on 8b it would often be lower than 12db though.

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  # 826465 27-May-2013 16:40
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Woops, distance is 400m not 500m



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  # 826478 27-May-2013 16:42
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Right, gotcha, sorry misunderstood what you meant by SNRM in that context. Ok, in that case let's just add SNRMT for SNRM Target and use a +/- notation as below. Could everyone please confirm what I've put there for your figures?

Attenuation, Distance, Sync, Profile, DLM, CRCPM, SNRM, SNRMT
SamF: 9db, 350m, 50mbit, 8b, 1, 2.5, 11, 0
HowickDota: 6db, 150m, 62.8mbit, 17a, 1, 0.3, 12?, 0?
JamesL: 12-13db, 400m, 34.2mbit, 8b, 1, ?, 12?, 0?
SteveH: 4db, 130m, 47968, 8b, 1, 3, 11, -1?
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 44720, 8b, 1, 0.87, 11, 0?
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 44720, 8b, 1, 0.52, 11, 0?
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 43872, 8b, 1, 0.82, 12, +1
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 42296, 8b, 1, 0.14, 13, +2
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 49576, 8b, 1, 6, 5, ? (weird sync with very low SNRM)
SteveH: 5db, 130m, 50608, 8b, 1, 19, 11, 0? (another weird sync though SNRM is normal)
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 58616, 17a, 1, 0.08, 14, +2
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10, -1?

JamesL, what's your CRCPM?

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  # 826489 27-May-2013 16:52
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SamF:
stevehodge: I think we need a little more info. I've added the profile and the SNRM target (for those that have adjusted it).


The original intention of this was to gather untweaked line stats, but we could do both I guess, could be useful for future reference.

stevehodge:
SteveH: 6db, 130m, 69144, 17a, 2, 0.03, 10


I assume by '10', you mean 1db?  Also, do you have your untweaked stats?


By 10 I mean SNRM is 10db according to the DSL tab. I have DownstreamMarginOffset set to -20.

I think it's important to capture the SNRM whether it's been tweaked or not - I've seen a number of syncs with weird SNRM and it massively impacts sync rate.

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  # 826495 27-May-2013 17:02
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I will add mine in here now as well then.

8dB, 200M, 55856, 17a, 0.02, 0, 12

I believe this is right 12 being the SNR?



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  # 826501 27-May-2013 17:13
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Yeah, 12 is normal with no tweaks.

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  # 826515 27-May-2013 17:38
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so, been toying around.. gonna hunt some way to extract this from the fritz using querys since its via telnet..

Extended Port Status
=================
Bme: 1 Port: 1
Downstream line rate: 42688 kbps
Upstream line rate: 11136 kbps
Bearer0 Downstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate: 39768 kbps
Bearer0 Upstream payload rate: 0 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate: 10344 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate: 39912 kbps
Downstream attainable line rate: 44820 kbps
Downstream Training Margin: 12.0 dB
Downstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Protection (Bearer1 Path): 0.0 DMT Symbols
Near-end ITU Vendor Id: 0x040041564d004416
Far-end ITU Vendor Id: 0xb500494b4e530001
Downstream delay: 7.8 ms
Upstream delay: 7.5 ms
Tx total power 1.0 dbm
FE Tx total power 13.5 dbm
VDSL Estimated Loop Length : 1429 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length : 503 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length :5501 ft
Current framing mode: 0x10 EFM
Bandplan Type...........: 1
No. of Upstream Bands...: 1
No. of Downstream Bands.: 2
Line Type: 0x00200000 VDSL2 Profile 8B
Downstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 1.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream FFT Protection (Bearer1 Path): 1.0 DMT Symbols
Upstream Line Attenuation: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1.413)
Upstream SNR Margin: NA (Only for ADSL1 & T1413)
Upstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Retransmission status: Disabled
Downstream Channel Data Path Mode: NA (Only for ADSL)


distance figure is reportedly pretty accurate..

seems this pulls its information directly from the dslam.. theres an option for CRC error rate limits.. currently its sitting there, polling i suppose.. looks like its certainly a new menu to play with :D


BME Reference board API Menu
Ikanos Communications Copyright 2000-2008
Version 9.4.0.9.ENGIKF6850
=========================================

2) Initiate Reset BME command
3) Configure System Provision (default values)
4) Configure Port Provision
5) Initiate Port Start command
7) Initiate Port Stop command
9) Start Loopback Test
10) Request Brief Port Status
11) Request Extended Port Status
12) Display Performance Counters
13) Get Near End SNR Margin and Attenuation
15) Display User Logs
16) Clear User Logs
20) Display this menu
21) Modify Port Provision
31) INI CRC Threshold
41) Port Error Count Management
42) Event Log Management
55) Board Configuration Management
56) OAM Options Mask Setting
57) Performance Management Parameter Configuration
58) Trigger PM Failures
59) Bitloading Per Tone
62) GPIO Test
70) Maintenance Mode
72) VDSL2 Double Ended Loop Testing (DELT)
73) Freeze Mode
90) BME Firmware versions
91) EFM Pre-emption
99) Log off/ Go to auto mode
114) Clear Performance Counters
127) System training LED blink rate
131) VDSL CRC Threshold
140) Internal EOC Commands
141) Overhead Message Commands
143) Remote Ethernet Status Report
150) Bit Swap Commands
212) Display All Performance Counters
800) AVM BME Interface
820) AVM turn off AutoStart
821) AVM turn on AutoStart





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  # 826531 27-May-2013 17:58
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well, seems that was short lived.. it stopped responding to commands it would seem after trying to see the CRC threshold option..

so just noticed.. not sure if its related, but my FECs have rapidly increased..



WOOT! broken the 100K in 15 mins mark ;)




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