What happens if you are not on either UFB or RBI?

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#669323 7-Aug-2012 22:07

I have sent Bridget Canning, CEO of Wiz Wireless, an email with a link to this post.
Hopefully if she has time she will get in contact with you.

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#669363 7-Aug-2012 23:36

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Geektastic:Not cheap - up to $1200 per month for 10mbps with no cap...!

That's not a bad price for an unlimited 10Mbps symmetrical connection with good CIR and unlimited data, regardless of location and delivery method.

Well, that strays a bit further into the technicalities for me to grasp, but $15,000 or so a year for that certainly does not fit my definition of 'not a bad price' but that might be just because I don't know what it should cost.

Certainly, a 100mpbs uncapped connection in the UK would cost a lot less - Virgin Media offer that for the equivalent of $50 per month and the UK consumers are complaining that is too expensive, but I have no idea whether that would be symmetrical or have good CIR as I have no idea what those things are!

See here for UK consumers' views on what they think they should pay (and yes I know this is not the UK. That does not make it less interesting!)

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/broadband/3360423/few-willing-pay-more-than-30-for-100mbps-broadband/

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#669365 7-Aug-2012 23:46

Geektastic:
sbiddle:
Geektastic:Not cheap - up to $1200 per month for 10mbps with no cap...!

That's not a bad price for an unlimited 10Mbps symmetrical connection with good CIR and unlimited data, regardless of location and delivery method.

Well, that strays a bit further into the technicalities for me to grasp, but $15,000 or so a year for that certainly does not fit my definition of 'not a bad price' but that might be just because I don't know what it should cost.

Certainly, a 100mpbs uncapped connection in the UK would cost a lot less - Virgin Media offer that for the equivalent of $50 per month and the UK consumers are complaining that is too expensive, but I have no idea whether that would be symmetrical or have good CIR as I have no idea what those things are!

See here for UK consumers' views on what they think they should pay (and yes I know this is not the UK. That does not make it less interesting!)

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/broadband/3360423/few-willing-pay-more-than-30-for-100mbps-broadband/

Biddle is talking about CIRs.
Last I checked the REANZ/KAREN internet1, if you bought >101mbit/s, you could pay $50 per 1mbit/s.
(Including international)

So you can assume that international bandwidth costs somewhere between $20-$100NZ per mbit, depending on how much you buy..

Note that residential plans aren't sold on per mbit basis, that's why we have datacaps!

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#669581 8-Aug-2012 12:49

Geektastic:
sbiddle:
Geektastic:Not cheap - up to $1200 per month for 10mbps with no cap...!

That's not a bad price for an unlimited 10Mbps symmetrical connection with good CIR and unlimited data, regardless of location and delivery method.

Well, that strays a bit further into the technicalities for me to grasp, but $15,000 or so a year for that certainly does not fit my definition of 'not a bad price' but that might be just because I don't know what it should cost.

Certainly, a 100mpbs uncapped connection in the UK would cost a lot less - Virgin Media offer that for the equivalent of $50 per month and the UK consumers are complaining that is too expensive, but I have no idea whether that would be symmetrical or have good CIR as I have no idea what those things are!

See here for UK consumers' views on what they think they should pay (and yes I know this is not the UK. That does not make it less interesting!)

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/broadband/3360423/few-willing-pay-more-than-30-for-100mbps-broadband/

It actually does make very uninteresting. This is not the thread for that discussion but you are comparing apples with oranges. People always wank on about how the net is so much cheaper overseas but it really doesnt matter because we are in NZ, and not these other countries.

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#671436 12-Aug-2012 15:24

The in laws are in an area that the shape file has missed is this just an error or does this mean RBI is defiantly not available?

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#671553 12-Aug-2012 19:54

johny99: The in laws are in an area that the shape file has missed is this just an error or does this mean RBI is defiantly not available?

I have struck this before with a friend's place that is not covered by the shape file, and yet the end of the road where their driveway intersects it, is. Given that the grey pipe installed by Chorus is at the end of the road, surely that is the important place for coverage to exist, not the entire area of the property itself.

In your case, RBI coverage is shown as being present at all boundaries of your in-laws' property, so getting a connection shouldn't pose any problem at all.

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#671955 13-Aug-2012 20:48

Is your ADSL connection 0.98Mbit, or are your actual speeds 0.98 Mbit?
Conklins can be configured with a lot less upstream speed than you'd expect - IIRC I saw 12-20 customers sharing 2Mbit upstream link. My knowledge is very dated, (7 years), but you might find that if others move off the conklin to UFB, you could get a bigger share of the uplink. Cold comfort compared to UFB of course.

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#685677 13-Sep-2012 16:18

raytaylor: I have sent Bridget Canning, CEO of Wiz Wireless, an email with a link to this post.
Hopefully if she has time she will get in contact with you.

She did, thanks!

She sent the guys out and sadly - even with a high gain antenna - they apparently can't get a strong enough signal here in Martinborough for the connection.

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#685682 13-Sep-2012 16:21

raindr: Is your ADSL connection 0.98Mbit, or are your actual speeds 0.98 Mbit?
Conklins can be configured with a lot less upstream speed than you'd expect - IIRC I saw 12-20 customers sharing 2Mbit upstream link. My knowledge is very dated, (7 years), but you might find that if others move off the conklin to UFB, you could get a bigger share of the uplink. Cold comfort compared to UFB of course.

I don't know. That was the speed I got on Speedtest.

It varies - sometimes it is 3 Mbps and sometimes as low as 0.98.

I don't think anyone on that cabinet will move to UFB as we would all be (just) outside the area. Indeed, if they build more houses hereabouts, they will get more people on the cabinet rather than less!

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#685810 13-Sep-2012 22:18

UFB is for fibre to the home in our major towns and cities.
RBI is aimed for people who cannot get broadband at all.

You are unfortunately stuck in the middle. RBI may be your best option if you want speed.
However if you were to change to a slingshot AYCE connection, you can still do 300gb in a month at 1mbit at urban pricing - though the speed will be a bit slow.

I wish i was in a position to help.

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#685813 13-Sep-2012 22:25

raytaylor: UFB is for fibre to the home in our major towns and cities.
RBI is aimed for people who cannot get broadband at all.

You are unfortunately stuck in the middle. RBI may be your best option if you want speed.
However if you were to change to a slingshot AYCE connection, you can still do 300gb in a month at 1mbit at urban pricing - though the speed will be a bit slow.

I wish i was in a position to help.

Unfortunately we appear to be both outside the coverage for RBI and outside the coverage for UFB.

I was talking to the tech who was here from Whizz and he said there is fibre outside his house in Masterton - but that they want $1200 to connect him to it! Not surprisingly he is not getting connected and I imagine that would be the response from most NZ homes too if that is what they are having to pay.

I'd happily pay that - but since fibre is only in Martinborough square, they'd want more than that to lay it the additional 3000m I suspect!!

Just seems like running businesses in the countryside is difficult. You do it to avoid the commute, save the planet, ease the burden on transport and so on, but without things like fast broadband to enable it, it's made very hard. I would expect a minimum of 25mbps in 2012 really but I suspect I will be dead and buried before you see that around here.

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#685841 14-Sep-2012 01:52

25mbit in the countryside is a bit of a lofty expectation don't ya think! I live in a built up residential area of a smallish town (12k or so people) and have only just managed to get on VDSL here.

If you do get your 25mbit before you're dead and buried I wonder if it is more likely from advancing mobile network technology? Not that that helps you much in the near term.. :o

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#685868 14-Sep-2012 08:01

blair003: 25mbit in the countryside is a bit of a lofty expectation don't ya think! I live in a built up residential area of a smallish town (12k or so people) and have only just managed to get on VDSL here.

If you do get your 25mbit before you're dead and buried I wonder if it is more likely from advancing mobile network technology? Not that that helps you much in the near term.. :o

Not at all. If rural broadband in the UK in tiny Yorkshire villages much further than the 85 km from the national capital than I am can get 100 Mbps, I don't think a mere 25 mbps is too much to expect.

Of course, I tend to have higher expectations of what is acceptable in many areas of life than seems to be generally the case in NZ! Hopefully, enough people like me will eventually cause the expectations to rise all round! It will be a slow campaign.

I see a very clever ad on TV currently exploiting just that with a conversation with an elderly Hungarian man about how broadband costs twice as much in NZ as it does in Hungary! Nice work by whichever agency created that campaign.

Progress - fast progress - in speed and availability of internet is a much higher priority for the future success of NZ than many seem to think. Another 10 years or so and Telecom will have no landline business whatsoever, as no one will be using them. It will all be VOIP and/or mobile, TV will be streaming live over the web as it is starting to and so on and so forth.

Internet speed will become economically critical as much as the OCR and a new measure of the haves and have nots globally.

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#685880 14-Sep-2012 08:45

I tell you what.

I'll get you a broadband connection in a rural area that is just as good and cheap as a central auckland one if you can get me a flat 1000m^2 section of land in central auckland that is just as cheap as a flat 1000m^2 of rural land.

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#685882 14-Sep-2012 08:49

I imagine if you're willing to pay for it, you could get fibre to your doorstep! The problem of course being the fact you're not willing to pay for it.
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