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  # 693386 29-Sep-2012 14:11
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johny99: so i own a house down a 50m driveway i dont want or have the coin to pay the additional ufb install charge what happens when copper is grandfathered or rq'd?


Considering that sort of scenario isn't likelty to occur until around 2025 - 2030 you're not going to get an answer to that question now!

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  # 693417 29-Sep-2012 16:48
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Each of the LFC's are going to run out of cash very quickly with their current business model of only being paid when customers sign up.



That's a painful one.... incur the cost of putting stuff in the ground from your own cashflow, but only get paid when the CUSTOMER is connected....




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  # 693418 29-Sep-2012 17:02
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They way I see it is if each house has an individual conduit from the road to the house it should be fine. The problem is in the past we generally put a 50mm up the shared driveway and tee'd off it so I can understand Chorus wanting to be cautious installing fiber in this scenario as they could disrupt the copper services.
They are taking a new approach to shared driveways now and require each dwelling to have a separate 20mm conduit to the footpath. Found this out via one of the boys I work with (who works on the Chorus contract we hold), he was annoyed he had to run 4 sets of 20mm conduit down an 80m right of way. Thought it was a waste but at the end of the day it is just the simplest way of going about it i guess.

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  # 693607 30-Sep-2012 13:29
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Yogi02: ...Apparently in Auckland Chorus are only paid for up to 15m of a connection. I am guessing that if that is exceeded then they have to be paid extra. The issue currently is over who pays?
Local Government / Government / Teleco / User Pays?

I am guessing the consent is a combination of covering arse if there is damage or split charging for installing cable down the driveway

The UFB was initially rolled out as a no connection fee project but have found that an average domestic connection on average is taking 4.5 hours and up to 9 hours for some houses.


Nope, Chorus is not being paid for the first 15m. They are only being subsidised for the communcal infrastructure that runs down the street or in the CO, that is, even that is not fully paid for by the govt.

All the work in a premises is paid for by Chorus/LFC. The 15m is how much Chorus was going to pay for themselves before requiring more money from someone.

Good question about who is going to pay for th 16th metre of the connection.


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  # 693812 30-Sep-2012 22:34
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antoniosk:
Each of the LFC's are going to run out of cash very quickly with their current business model of only being paid when customers sign up.



That's a painful one.... incur the cost of putting stuff in the ground from your own cashflow, but only get paid when the CUSTOMER is connected....


My understanding is CFH pays each LFC $PPP (per premsis passed). IE, LFCs get $ for laying fibre in the street ready for a customer to connect to.
Each LFC then pays out of its own pocket to connect a house to the street.

I have a lot of respect for Steven Joyce and how the govt thought through how to incentivise each LFC rather than use lots of regulation and lawyers the LFCs have a reason to get the fibre rolling quick.

I think this is one reason why people think the UFB rollout has been slow. (which it hasn't. a phenomenal about of streets have been done already 1.5yrs in). LFC's are more interested in rolling out fibre in the streets for which they get an income, and will put more emphasis on connecting customers later.

Again this is why I think highly of Joyce. Now you might think ah but whats the incentive for an LFC to spend its own money to connect customers. why wouldn't they just stop here. Joyce arranged it that the crown has a large shareholding in each LFC. As customers connect up the shareholding of the crown decreases. So the LFC will keep more dividends by connecting up more customers (long term). Unfortunately for some reason the govt changed the rules on this with the agreement for Chorus but it does apply for the other LFCs.

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  # 706615 26-Oct-2012 00:57
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Hi, I just got UFB installed to my house and I AM down a shared driveway!
I wasn't very hopeful initially, but I got a call from Orcon after a couple of weeks saying that Chorus were coming around in a weeks time.
I am 140m from the street and am the 5th of 6 down a driveway. When Chorus came around they were a bit dubious but after digging up the pill boxes they found there was conduit so they were able to push their small 10mm tubes down the conduit, then they blew the fibre down that. They still had to dig up the tar seal driveway to fix a blockage in the conduit and they will repair it.
It took 3 guys 2 days and it didn't cost me a cent!
I am in Whitby, Porirua.

I now have the 30/10plan, speedtest.net shows around 27/9.5 - fair enough. Previously I had Adsl showing 10/0.8
I estimate web pages load about twice as fast. Latency has dropped about 25ms to most sites.

Don't give up if you're down a shared driveway!

Mike


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