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Regs: Some probably don't even know what it is.....
SaltyNZ: The Internet is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Beccara: So where's this price model for an ISP up here? I know I've chucked some numbers around.
No, Dont land a cable in Whangarei, Not even a branch - It's quite stupid. Northland has ~50k of homes or around 150k of people. It's tiny and building a branch here is costly along with offering no diversity since we have no power generation up here and need Auckland for power/comms/everything.
Beccara: As for landing anywhere else if you cant make the case for a 2nd cable coming into NZ at all why is there a case for landing it in the south island or lower north island? There isn't.
Beccara: National transit costs's aren't too bad either - Certainly not MORE than INT unless you're talking about delivery to bluff. I can pick up INT @ $35/mbit in AKL and transit to Whangarei at $4/mbit or NAT Transit WhangareiAucklandWelligton @$13 - And thats at 1gbit buys, You wanna haul 10gbit around and it gets cheaper again.
Beccara: Also Don, Cables normally dont have 50-100 year lifespans, More like 20-30 so that $75mill spend now? Gonna have to go it again before you even kick the bucket and you dont even factor in O&M cost's like having a crew ready to repair it should some farmer dig it up at 5am. O&M over the lifespan of a cable can be upwards of 25% of the cable build cost
DonGould:
While I agree Northland had ~50k homes now, what will it have in 20 years?
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SaltyNZ:DonGould:
While I agree Northland had ~50k homes now, what will it have in 20 years?
25k homes?
DonGould:
Why? Because the rates are so high after putting in a new poo plant?
Are you suggesting that putting in a new internet feed would drive even more people away?
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Beccara:As for landing anywhere else if you cant make the case for a 2nd cable coming into NZ at all why is there a case for landing it in the south island or lower north island? There isn't.
SaltyNZ: Also I'm a little bit bitter and twisted because I live 500m outside the cabinet zone, and my exchange is not scheduled to ever be upgraded past ADSL 1 (even though I am less than 2000m from it and get 8M/960k) and although the main Telecom trunk fibre runs past the end of my driveway I will never get UFB...
oxnsox: It would be more sensical to run a secondary transtasman cable from Melbourne to Nelson (with a split to Kapiti Coast/Wgtn)
mercutio: i think south america is a more worthwhile target as their economy is closer to ours.
australia has no good reason to give us a good deal. and without competition prices will stay high.
Beccara: I can pick up INT @ $35/mbit in AKL and transit to Whangarei at $4/mbit or NAT Transit WhangareiAucklandWelligton @$13 - And thats at 1gbit buys, You wanna haul 10gbit around and it gets cheaper again.
DonGould:mercutio: i think south america is a more worthwhile target as their economy is closer to ours.
australia has no good reason to give us a good deal. and without competition prices will stay high.
Australians are building data centers like we build dairy farms. They will have CPU cycles to burn and doing nothing while they're asleep.
Cable Cost - $ 100,000,000
mbits on cable - 8,000,000
Cost per mbit over cable life -12.5
Cable life - 25
Cost per mbit over cable life per month - $ 0.04
Just simple math here again... but...
Beccara: I can pick up INT @ $35/mbit in AKL and transit to Whangarei at $4/mbit or NAT Transit WhangareiAucklandWelligton @$13 - And thats at 1gbit buys, You wanna haul 10gbit around and it gets cheaper again.
If we assume that a 2 pair cable can be loaded to 8Tb with todays technology (remembering that SCCN started out at 240Gbit on 10Gbit interfaces and now I think it's at 40Gbit interfaces in less than a decade?)
If we assume a build cost to Hobart at $100m (let's just put aside inflation and the home loan calculator mentioned earlier).
Then we get a cost per mbit over the life of the cable, assuming no upgrades to quadruple the capacity as happened with SCCN, of $12.50.
If we then accept that the cable life is only 25 years (which we know is just silly but let's just go there)...
You're at 4c per mbit.
If we accept Beccara's comment that operational costs will be 25% then we're at 5c per mbit per month.
Come on...
$4 from Auckland to Whangarei, $13 from Whangarei to Wellington?!
This is why we're not getting the same value that the Australians get and it's why I think we should be building directly to Australia.
Beccara: Both are simply stupid idea to try and drive down cost for 25% of the population that seem to be behind a "F#$@ You, Got Mine" attitude
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