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# 109546 21-Sep-2012 20:03
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Hello GeekZone,

Firstly if this post isn't in the right category, I apologise and please move to where you see fit. Secondly if my series of questions have been answered elsewhere, please feel free to link me :)

Now let's get on with the questions. Firstly, I wish to rewire a new phone cable from the external box (I have  an overhead phone line) to a newly installed phone jack in my home. I am capable of installing phones jacks and daisy chaining them etc. However my first questions is, is it possible for the average person to open up the little termination box (on the roof) and install a new cable from it? Has anyone been able to successfully do this or is this something you get an electrician in to do? (If it's easy to do, does anyone have any online tutorials I could take a look at?)

My second question is I have briefly heard people talking of an internal (inside the wall/roof) filter/splitter, which replaces the little filters that telecom provide which plug into the wall. I've heard that these can potentially increase your connection quality. What are the exact name(s) for these devices? Are they easy to install, or again, is it something you get an electrician in to do?

My ultimate goal is to replace my home's 30+ year old wiring and potentially get faster download/upload and a lower ping. And ultimately lower my attenuation for when/if I get VDSL (I am out of coverage for the first 3 years of Fibre Cry ).

Thanks in advance for any help!

Cheers,
Aidan.

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  # 689645 21-Sep-2012 20:19
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Your mention of daisy chain is not a good thing.
Star writing at minimum. Better though is some structured cabling.




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster and even more now as they are upgrading their rural Conklins. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend $195 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
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  # 689647 21-Sep-2012 20:22
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No reason you can't go into the termination box yourself, make sure you use gel crimps to connect the wires. If you were to get someone in to do it for you, DONT get an electrician, much better to get a Chorus tech or an expert off this forum (let us know where you are based and maybe a local will chime in)

The device you are thinking of is a DSL master splitter, you can install one yourself in the termination box quite easily.

If you search 'master splitter install' or similar on geekzone you will probably find a few helpful threads, i know there are some with pictures & diagrams to help you with what is a popular geek diy job

 
 
 
 




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  # 689666 21-Sep-2012 20:32
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coffeebaron: Your mention of daisy chain is not a good thing.
Star writing at minimum. Better though is some structured cabling.


Yes, that is what I am trying to get away from by starting from scratch with my wiring :).

nickb800: No reason you can't go into the termination box yourself, make sure you use gel crimps to connect the wires. If you were to get someone in to do it for you, DONT get an electrician, much better to get a Chorus tech or an expert off this forum (let us know where you are based and maybe a local will chime in) 

The device you are thinking of is a DSL master splitter, you can install one yourself in the termination box quite easily. 

If you search 'master splitter install' or similar on geekzone you will probably find a few helpful threads, i know there are some with pictures & diagrams to help you with what is a popular geek diy job


Thank you very much, very useful. Has anyone, actually seen better results from installing a master splitter? Is it worth while doing?

Thanks very much,

Aidan



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  # 689667 21-Sep-2012 20:37
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I saw this: http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/cables-adaptors/networking/auction-515806827.htm

Would this be about the right price?

-Aidan

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  # 689668 21-Sep-2012 20:37
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Yes it's worth the effort. If you're moving to VDSL then it's even required iirc.

The key thing is to pick the cable up cleanly and get it to the modem. Personally I'd drop the POTS service and use VoIP and disconnect the house wiring from the Chorus network all together. That way you can be assured your house wiring won't cause any reflections or pick up noise onto the line.

You can then connect your house wiring to the house wiring to connect boring old phones.

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  # 689673 21-Sep-2012 20:42
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DonGould: Yes it's worth the effort. If you're moving to VDSL then it's even required iirc.

The key thing is to pick the cable up cleanly and get it to the modem. Personally I'd drop the POTS service and use VoIP and disconnect the house wiring from the Chorus network all together. That way you can be assured your house wiring won't cause any reflections or pick up noise onto the line.

You can then connect your house wiring to the house wiring to connect boring old phones.

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Okay thank you. I guess this is off-topic, however who would be the best to do with for cheap, simple VoIP? (I currently am on Vodafone's Red network), just a quick personal opinion. And back to the topic, i found this: http://www.acquire.co.nz/acquire/default.asp?PageID=ProductDetail&pf_id=1988009&dept_id=3200050

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hich I will probably get this weekend.

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  # 689678 21-Sep-2012 20:47
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2Talk - good price
Xnet - good quality

I'm a 2Talk reseller, so I'm bias to that product.

You can use an ATA (Cisco 112 is currently the best value product out there in my view, which does up to 2 lines at once) or you can set a SIP phone, or you can use a SIP client on your mobile phone.

The splitter you linked looked fine.

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  # 689682 21-Sep-2012 20:57
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DonGould: 2Talk - good price
Xnet - good quality

I'm a 2Talk reseller, so I'm bias to that product.

You can use an ATA (Cisco 112 is currently the best value product out there in my view, which does up to 2 lines at once) or you can set a SIP phone, or you can use a SIP client on your mobile phone.

The splitter you linked looked fine.

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My Vodafone supplied modem has VoiP Ports built in (EchoLife  HG556a), could this "potentially* work? ;)

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  # 689685 21-Sep-2012 21:08
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If you have access to configure the SIP settings then yes.

http://www.2talk.co.nz/support/

There is plenty of info that about how to configure 2talk sip settings on a range of devices. I haven't seen that specific unit but my personal impression is once you get your head around the basics most of the settings are reasonable common across devices.

I'd do a quick google and see if someone's posted notes on configuring that unit.

Yell out if you want help setting up an account.

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  # 689687 21-Sep-2012 21:13
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DonGould: If you have access to configure the SIP settings then yes.

http://www.2talk.co.nz/support/

There is plenty of info that about how to configure 2talk sip settings on a range of devices. I haven't seen that specific unit but my personal impression is once you get your head around the basics most of the settings are reasonable common across devices.

I'd do a quick google and see if someone's posted notes on configuring that unit.

Yell out if you want help setting up an account.

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Okay great, thanks for your help. I think I'll sit tight for the next few months or so and see how VDSL/Fibre unravels.

Cheers,
Aidan

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  # 690057 23-Sep-2012 00:12
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The vodafone modem uses voip to supply normal POTS phones, so its not voip phones at all, and can't be reconfigured for other voip services if you want to change in future.

Dont try to connect individual phone lines direct from the telecom box, you need to decide where to put a hub if you want to get away from star wiring eventually. For now, the splitter just separates the modem line from all the daisychained wiring, so only the telecom drop and 2 internal cables go to the splitter.

That master splitter you linked seems very expensive! I would expect $50 for splitter, cat5e homelan cable and gel crimps would be enough, with a basic cat5e jack point for the modem instead of the old style BT one. Tell me how much cat5e you need and I could send it off to you including an RJ45 modem cable.




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