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billwitham

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#111521 6-Nov-2012 12:38
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Can anyone confirm if the Asus RT-N56U can do Vlan tagging?

Even better, has anyone managed to hook one straight to the fibre ONT?

Cheers

Bill

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  #712870 6-Nov-2012 13:15
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Hi Bill,

Any reason you're not wanting to use your ISP supplied router?  May I ask who/what it is?

Thanks and Regards

Dan

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  #712899 6-Nov-2012 13:55
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Hi Dan,

I haven't chosen an ISP for fibre yet, leaning towards Snap.

A duel band wireless n router is my preference (lots of devices - PC's Mac's phones Ipods ect) and the Asus RT-N56U is very well reviewed.

I could get a great deal on the RT-N56U, but only if someone can confirm it's compatible with UFB / the local  ISP's UFB protocols.

So far the Vlan tagging is the main requirement I have found.

Mostly I just want to understand how it all works.

If it all gets too hard I'll just give up and go with the best ISP supplied gear I can find.

Cheers
Bill








 
 
 
 


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  #712914 6-Nov-2012 14:12
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Ah, Fair enough :)

Certainly the manual makes no mention of VLAN tagging, hopefully someone with one of these devices can check for themselves.

It might also pay to clarify Snap (or your chosen ISP's) position on support for non-supplied routers ;)

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  #714464 9-Nov-2012 03:37
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If the stock firmware can't do vlan tagging, I believe there are Tomato USB and DD-WRT builds for the Asus RT-56U that can.


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  #714527 9-Nov-2012 09:34
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The RT-N56U is not Broadcom based. It cannot run DD-WRT or Tomato based firmwares. It has also been out for quite a while now, If something were going to happen it probably would have done so by now.
If you are proficient with Linux you may be able to get OpenWrt going on it, see here.
After googling around a bit I could not find much in the way of VLAN tagging for this router. It'd be worth contacting Asus support to find if their firmware for it supports it.

If you have access to another DD-WRT router, or a switch which can do VLAN tagging, you can have either do the VLAN tagging for the WAN port of the router, but it'll be another potential source of problems/point of failure. I'm unsure if a basic DD-WRT router can keep up with VLAN tagging at 100mb/s, for example.

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  #714528 9-Nov-2012 09:38
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Lorenceo: The RT-N56U is not Broadcom based. It cannot run DD-WRT or Tomato based firmwares. It has also been out for quite a while now, If something were going to happen it probably would have done so by now.
If you are proficient with Linux you may be able to get OpenWrt going on it, see here.
After googling around a bit I could not find much in the way of VLAN tagging for this router. It'd be worth contacting Asus support to find if their firmware for it supports it.

If you have access to another DD-WRT router, or a switch which can do VLAN tagging, you can have either do the VLAN tagging for the WAN port of the router, but it'll be another potential source of problems/point of failure. I'm unsure if a basic DD-WRT router can keep up with VLAN tagging at 100mb/s, for example.


We have found performance is an issue with some routers if you're talking 100/50 UFB.  Even some so-called "small business pro" routers from a certain major brand only handle about 55Mbps.  So be wary what you choose, I really would stick with whatever your ISP recommend if you're not sure.

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  #714536 9-Nov-2012 09:46
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While this may be true for cheaper routers, there are others which can easily handle over 100mb. :)

 
 
 
 


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  #714872 9-Nov-2012 18:58
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Actually, most routers can't route packets at anywhere even close to 100mbps.
Even if they have a gigabit port this is still true.

General cheap router given away by most isps would be lucky to do anything over 30mpbs and what really kills them is NAT with too many connections open (ie, lots of users or bittorrent).

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  #714899 9-Nov-2012 20:28
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Publius: Actually, most routers can't route packets at anywhere even close to 100mbps.
Even if they have a gigabit port this is still true.

General cheap router given away by most isps would be lucky to do anything over 30mpbs and what really kills them is NAT with too many connections open (ie, lots of users or bittorrent).


Most newer routers have amazing performance compared to 1+ year old models.

When comparing routing performance however you do need to compare packet sizes - a device capable of routing ~900Mbps using 1518 byte frames will probably to struggle with 50Mbps using 64 byte frames.

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  #715352 11-Nov-2012 04:36
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Lorenceo: The RT-N56U is not Broadcom based. It cannot run DD-WRT or Tomato based firmwares. It has also been out for quite a while now, If something were going to happen it probably would have done so by now.


Ah right I misread the model number as the 66U, the 56U (Ralink chipset) does custom firmware development though eg: https://code.google.com/p/rt-n56u/downloads/list

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  #715353 11-Nov-2012 04:37
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Publius: Actually, most routers can't route packets at anywhere even close to 100mbps.


Smallnetbuilder tests WAN to LAN throughput and other things when they do their reviews
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/view

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  #715731 12-Nov-2012 11:36
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Thanks guys, these replies are exactly why I joined the forums.
Have purchases the RT-N56U router and will post first impressions on this thread.  I figure if I decide to sell it later I shouldn't lose much.
 
Cheers. 

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  #720821 21-Nov-2012 15:39
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Hi Bill

Seems that is what you looking for?

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/next-generation-broadband-network-ngbn-forum-320/asus-rt-n56u-has-new-firmware-vlan-id-allow-direct-miotv-stb-3351872.html

Hopefully that helps

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  #721203 22-Nov-2012 10:49
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Thanks yuwei21, that is exactly what I was looking for.  Looks like this model can do Vlan tagging so may be able to replace the ISP offered routers for a fibre connection.

Current plan is to stay on ADSL until Telecom release their fibre plan details next year.

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  #721815 23-Nov-2012 12:25
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Hi Bill

No problem, I have checked my one as well seems there is Vlan Tagging function in the router.

Anyway I have sign up with Snap, hopefully will be play smoothly.

Just curious how are you going to setup the phone system?

By using ATA box or VOIP phone?


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