Either way bundle pricing has been heading south which is good for all consumers.
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Behodar:freitasm: That was back then, when the telcos set the prices and Telecom owned the infrastructure.
Copper prices are now set by the Commerce Commission, Telecom doesn't own the copper, doesn't have any interest on Chorus, so things are very different from six years ago.
Did the ComCom actually decide on the prices independently, or by using the old Telecom prices as a starting point?
stuzzo: I assume there are variations for when the ISP has their own equipment in an exchange. For example, I am rural Hawkes Bay and Slingshot bundles are $10 dearer for me than Hastings which are the same as their national "Better Network" prices.
Either way bundle pricing has been heading south which is good for all consumers.
kyhwana2: Wait, so did the comcom then set the prices for auckland/wellington/christchurch to be cheaper for telecom? (Or chorus). If not, then it'll be because there's telstraclear cable/POTS there. (Or ULL gear in Auckland)
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raytaylor: Okay so now we are talking about two different things here
1) The price of a POTS telephone service from Chorus - a service that has been offered since before unbundling took place
2) The price of a service offered over an unbundled line using the ISP's own equipment.
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1) The isp has purchased a Chorus plain landline as has been offered for the last 50 years. It is subject to regulations and a discount in the auckland/wellington/chch suburbs where telstra clear run a Cable network.
The broadband is delivered across your line by telecom, who backhaul it to the ISP's network for them.
2) The ISP has installed their own dslam and telephone equipment into the exchange and is only renting the copper loop from chorus. They may have lower costs than the above service, and so they can choose to offer discounts in areas where they run their own equipment. The ISP is responsible for serving the broadband and backhaul it to their data centre however they choose.
cisconz: Please be careful when posting that you post the correct company owning the equipment.raytaylor: Okay so now we are talking about two different things here
1) The price of a POTS telephone service from Chorus - a service that has been offered since before unbundling took place
2) The price of a service offered over an unbundled line using the ISP's own equipment.
[snip]
1) The isp has purchased a Chorus plain landline as has been offered for the last 50 years. It is subject to regulations and a discount in the auckland/wellington/chch suburbs where telstra clear run a Cable network.
The broadband is delivered across your line by telecom, who backhaul it to the ISP's network for them.
2) The ISP has installed their own dslam and telephone equipment into the exchange and is only renting the copper loop from chorus. They may have lower costs than the above service, and so they can choose to offer discounts in areas where they run their own equipment. The ISP is responsible for serving the broadband and backhaul it to their data centre however they choose.
Chorus own the NEAX as well as the copper, Telecom only own the cell network and ISP (not the Dslam's or Isam's)
sbiddle:cisconz: Please be careful when posting that you post the correct company owning the equipment.raytaylor: Okay so now we are talking about two different things here
1) The price of a POTS telephone service from Chorus - a service that has been offered since before unbundling took place
2) The price of a service offered over an unbundled line using the ISP's own equipment.
[snip]
1) The isp has purchased a Chorus plain landline as has been offered for the last 50 years. It is subject to regulations and a discount in the auckland/wellington/chch suburbs where telstra clear run a Cable network.
The broadband is delivered across your line by telecom, who backhaul it to the ISP's network for them.
2) The ISP has installed their own dslam and telephone equipment into the exchange and is only renting the copper loop from chorus. They may have lower costs than the above service, and so they can choose to offer discounts in areas where they run their own equipment. The ISP is responsible for serving the broadband and backhaul it to their data centre however they choose.
Chorus own the NEAX as well as the copper, Telecom only own the cell network and ISP (not the Dslam's or Isam's)
My understanding is that Telecom own the NEAX's. Copper, ISAM's and buildings are all Chorus.
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clod: Thanks everybody for your replies. I'm afraid tho as a layman my conclusion is that there is no basis now for the $10 price difference as it would appear to be an historical anomoly that with competition today should no longer be in place.
sbiddle:clod: Thanks everybody for your replies. I'm afraid tho as a layman my conclusion is that there is no basis now for the $10 price difference as it would appear to be an historical anomoly that with competition today should no longer be in place.
That's what you might think, but it's not the reality of the real world. The telco industry is one of the most regulated industries in NZ with the pricing of many key products and offerings set by the Commerce Commission.
My suggestion to you is to write a letter to the Telecommunications Regulator as he's the person ultimately responsible for setting the wholesale pricing of copper based products. Public submissions are always welcome.
My personal view is that services in rural areas should cost more than metropolitan areas.
mattwnz: [snip]
I was quoted between $500- $1000 to get them to connect us in a rural location, yet we have the wiring installed to the telephone line connection on the road, and it is on SH2. I think that is excessively high. We won't be connecting and using mobile instead, which has no connection costs, and it is better value. If we did pay that sort of fee to connect, we would be subsidizing those who are way out in the country, where it would be far more expensive to connect, but they still pay that $500-$1000 fee. The gov should should be encouraging more people to live further out of the cities, as currently there is a housing shortage and unsustainable high house prices in places like auckland. Currently the cost of living in county areas can be very high.
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