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  Reply # 791867 2-Apr-2013 19:06
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Get some cheap copper arial wire and string an extra line up; then say there is actually two overhead lines coming in, so they will be able to remove the unused line and swap with the fibre :) leaving your POTS line in tact :)





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  Reply # 791881 2-Apr-2013 19:26
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Dratsab: A decent stream (well, not at the moment due to drought) flows between my property and the road. The stream bed is a good 7 metres below the level of the road, so I think a ditch witch might struggle. The stream is also prone to flooding in heavy rain years and a neighbours bridge has been washed into mine in years gone by so ducting beneath my access bridge (about 2.5m below road level) is probably not recommended. I get what you're trying to say, but one-size-fits-all approaches don't work.


In a situation like this, I wonder if Chorus could do what you see out in the country-side: the phone cable bundle (unsure of the correct term) goes up a short pole, spans over a stream and then down a second pole and back into the ground.




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  Reply # 792026 3-Apr-2013 00:23
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Surely there must be some combo cable available that they can swap the existing copper out for that has a pair of copper and a duct for the fiber in it, that keeps the only one cable people happy, but lets people get a decent service.




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  Reply # 792036 3-Apr-2013 02:35
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richms: Surely there must be some combo cable available that they can swap the existing copper out for that has a pair of copper and a duct for the fiber in it, that keeps the only one cable people happy, but lets people get a decent service.


According to this thread, this gz user got a cable installed with fibre/copper combined (scroll down to the pic of the junction box on the side of the house):
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=107746




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  Reply # 792043 3-Apr-2013 06:21
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DarthKermit:
richms: Surely there must be some combo cable available that they can swap the existing copper out for that has a pair of copper and a duct for the fiber in it, that keeps the only one cable people happy, but lets people get a decent service.


According to this thread, this gz user got a cable installed with fibre/copper combined (scroll down to the pic of the junction box on the side of the house):
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=107746


This is the cable used for the connection between the ETP and ONT so voice can be fed from the ONT/RGW back to the existing copper ETP which will typically be next to the fibre ETP. It's not the leadin cable and can't be used as a leadin.


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  Reply # 792044 3-Apr-2013 06:29
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In case this hasn't been posted before

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8500499/UFB-links-to-homes-cause-3-way-dispute




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  Reply # 792047 3-Apr-2013 07:58
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Seems pretty obvious to replace the existing Cu drop with a dual fibre/Cu cable just like TCL has done with POTs and HFC for years, dont see why this has taken till now to not have been realised by Telecom/Chorus.

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  Reply # 792060 3-Apr-2013 08:20
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The issue arises because Telecom wants to deliver voice/fax/alarm monitoring/etc over copper so won't pull out the fibre. In effect you get a fibre connection just for data.

For overhead lines (in Chorus zones - AUCK and WEL) Chorus requires the removal of the copper line when the fibre is put up. I don't know if that's a Chorus decision or regional council decision. Either way, it means for Telecom's purposes it can't do UFB on overhead lines until either a change is made to the "must pull out the copper" requirement or Telecom offers the full service on fibre.

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  Reply # 792068 3-Apr-2013 08:40
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A row appears to be brewing between Telecom, Chorus and Crown Fibre Holdings after Telecom said some customers would have to pay to get ultrafast broadband connected to their homes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/8502294/UFB-links-to-homes-cause-3-way-dispute

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  Reply # 792070 3-Apr-2013 08:41
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One line for voice, and another one for data = the ultimate Master Splitter? From the Stuff article, a single cable is to satisfy RMA requirements. Surely a combo cable would overcome this?

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So how will this work in CHCH?

If the house has telecom via overhead, then Enable networks wouldnt use that anyways and will have to dig a trench regardless, so you keep copper and get fibre

If chorus has a trench and copper in the ground, then enable networks wouldnt use that conduit and will lay their own, so again two lead in, one with copper one with fibre.

So i assume as chorus are not running fibre in chch that this doesnt impact people in chch?

Kinda stupid how companies cant share conduit.



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mrhaboobi: So how will this work in CHCH?

If the house has telecom via overhead, then Enable networks wouldnt use that anyways and will have to dig a trench regardless, so you keep copper and get fibre

If chorus has a trench and copper in the ground, then enable networks wouldnt use that conduit and will lay their own, so again two lead in, one with copper one with fibre.

So i assume as chorus are not running fibre in chch that this doesnt impact people in chch?

Kinda stupid how companies cant share conduit.




Telecom isn't selling UFB services outside of Chorus zones yet - so it isn't offering service in Christchurch (or Hamilton, Whangarei etc), just Auckland and Wellington.

Chorus shouldn't be doing anything in Chch as Enable has won the UFB bid for the city.

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  Reply # 792087 3-Apr-2013 09:09
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Ok, so if they rip out the old copper cable: what if the next owner of the house doesn't want UFB? Not everyone in NZ uses the internet or wants UFB either.




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DarthKermit: Ok, so if they rip out the old copper cable: what if the next owner of the house doesn't want UFB? Not everyone in NZ uses the internet or wants UFB either.


Everyone's getting it regardless. Eventually Chorus will switch off the copper network.

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  Reply # 792099 3-Apr-2013 09:28
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PaulBrislen:
DarthKermit: Ok, so if they rip out the old copper cable: what if the next owner of the house doesn't want UFB? Not everyone in NZ uses the internet or wants UFB either.


Everyone's getting it regardless. Eventually Chorus will switch off the copper network.


What about for rural areas or even city areas where UFB isn't planned to be deployed?




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