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  #798053 11-Apr-2013 20:44
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StevieT:
Nuwanda:


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Will anyone who gets a fibre optic internet connection require one of those (regardless of ISP)?


Yes everyone who requests a connection via Chorus UFB/GPON service requires one of these to be installed.

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  #798054 11-Apr-2013 20:44
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This is interesting as I am in Timaru with fibre to the power pole outside my house. I phoned Telecom the other night to get UFB and they said I would have to pay to get both the fibre and copper put under ground to my house as they are not allowed to add an extra cable from pole to house and as they still need the copper it can't be swapped out.
It looks like the installer kind of got around this issue by having them both using the same anchors on house and pole

On another note I would be a bit disappointed with all the extra components needed and the rather slow speed. So much for Ultra Fast Broadband.
If the can deliver 100mbs why on a 30mbs plan can't the deliver a solid 30mbs?

 
 
 
 


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  #798057 11-Apr-2013 20:46
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Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?

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  #798059 11-Apr-2013 20:48
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Yyrael:  Im amazed this even got sent to Chorus let alone went ahead hahaha. Well no take backs now :)


Actualy the local Council 'could' request that one of the aerial leads get taken down  or other penaltys for non compliance

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  #798064 11-Apr-2013 20:53
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networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


Yeah but as telecom don't have phone over Internet set up yet they still need the copper. Snap etc don't need the copper.
I don't know what you would do with alarm or sky if the copper is removed
I'm pretty sure I'm going to change from telecom broadband to snap fibre as 23mbs speeds on slower plan isn't a huge improvement and telecoms 100 plan is a bit to pricey

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  #798066 11-Apr-2013 20:55
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networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


The copper 'Aerial' connection must be removed at this point.  To sort of answer your second point - the UFB networks will eventualy,  gradualy become the replacement for the copper network.

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  #798073 11-Apr-2013 21:01
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evolution2:I don't know what you would do with alarm or sky if the copper is removed


Just like EFTPOS - originaly you could only have dial up but now most are IP based, monited Alarms have traditionaly been Dial up based but IP based monitoring is becoming more common and in the future will probably become the norm.

 
 
 
 


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  #798080 11-Apr-2013 21:08
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networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


The copper 'Aerial' connection must be removed at this point.  To sort of answer your second point - the UFB networks will eventualy,  gradualy become the replacement for the copper network.


I am not sure what the copper aerial refers to ? Are you talking for UHF and other forms of TV? Why would Chorus want that removed?

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  #798091 11-Apr-2013 21:23
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networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


The copper 'Aerial' connection must be removed at this point.  To sort of answer your second point - the UFB networks will eventualy,  gradualy become the replacement for the copper network.


I am not sure what the copper aerial refers to ? Are you talking for UHF and other forms of TV? Why would Chorus want that removed?


He is saying that your copper phone line is aerial from pole to house not underground

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  #798093 11-Apr-2013 21:24
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evolution2:
networkn:
InstallerUFB:
networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


The copper 'Aerial' connection must be removed at this point.  To sort of answer your second point - the UFB networks will eventualy,  gradualy become the replacement for the copper network.


I am not sure what the copper aerial refers to ? Are you talking for UHF and other forms of TV? Why would Chorus want that removed?


He is saying that your copper phone line is aerial from pole to house not underground


Hmm Ok so if I don't have over ground phone now, it won't be affected when UFB Is installed? I can keep copper?

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  #798094 11-Apr-2013 21:28
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Nuwanda: Interesting comments. Who do you work for?


Downer NZ  (who are the local service contractor for Chorus)



By the external cable you mean the piece that runs from the ETP to the vent? My house is solid concrete including all internal walls. They installed into the front gable and to get the fibre fully internally to my office they would have had to run the cable from the ceiling down the surface of an internal wall. Not something I would have liked. That seems to be why they went underfloor to the office. The problem was how to get to the underfloor in the first place. I guess they could have gone to the gable and then dropped a PVC tube straight down and then underfloor. That's kind of what happened with the exception of that short run to the vent from the ETP. I assume the type of cable from the ETP is different than the cable from the pole, which is obviously full exposed.

The installer did mention conflicting aspects of existing cabling versus new, as I mentioned above. I got the distinct impression this was a local matter and that the copper could not be disconnected. Why? I don't know. The new fibre has copper with it. Perhaps you can explain why the new copper could not have been hooked up to my internal copper and the old copper drop then been disconnected.

I was also told that I was not a special case and that any install in my street would follow the same criteria.



Ok - From the pole, through your roof and down to the ETP is a single way ribbonet duct,  which has been joined to the multiway ribonnet tube from the cabinet @ the pole . This ribonnet duct is made up of an inter tube (the pink tube in your ETP photos ) surounded by a poly sheath (this sheath is UV stable and waterproof) - there are other materials in the duct to give it strenght and stabilty.  In the iner-tube a 2 core fibre cable is blown through - there is no copper


From the ETP to the ONT a hybrid cable of 2 core fibre and 2 copper pairs has been installed - the copper pairs are there so that if required voice serevices can be back-feed from the ONT/RGW back out to the ETP and then onto your existing house wireing (if installed in the same location as the old copper ETP. The sheathing on the Hybrid cable is limited UV stable and is hydroscopic - in other words - will slowly breakdown in sunlight and lets water in  - its the same sort of sheathing as normal cat5/6 etc.

The two cable types are spliced together in the ETP.

Back to your install - I would have instaled the hybrid cable into a section of electrical conduit, from the ETP to the vent (and possibly under the floor), to protect it from the elements (for its long term stability).



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  #798095 11-Apr-2013 21:29
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networkn: Sorry perhaps I am not paying close enough attention, are you saying that when UFB is installed, The installer is instructed to remove copper connections essentially from that point onward making it impossible to have a analog phone line, or xdsl connection, traditional alarm monitoring or Sky?


Yeah but as telecom don't have phone over Internet set up yet they still need the copper. Snap etc don't need the copper.
I don't know what you would do with alarm or sky if the copper is removed
I'm pretty sure I'm going to change from telecom broadband to snap fibre as 23mbs speeds on slower plan isn't a huge improvement and telecoms 100 plan is a bit to pricey


Don't necessarily believe that 23mbps speed. The Telecom speedtest server used is based in Auckland and it's nearing retirement. I'm about to sent the OP a couple of other things to try.

Cheers - N

[edit: trusting speedtests BTW is of questionable value anyway. Hands up who actually still remembers that the '30' referred to is the Layer 2 input service from the LFC. Not wanting to make comments about what may or may not happen in the future - most speedtests need to be taken with a large grain of salt]

[Double edit: Just noticed the 23mbps is to a different ISP speedtest at the other end of the country. Imagine my palms flailing about and at least one of them slapping into my forehead :-) ]




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  #798107 11-Apr-2013 21:43
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evolution2: This is interesting as I am in Timaru with fibre to the power pole outside my house. I phoned Telecom the other night to get UFB and they said I would have to pay to get both the fibre and copper put under ground to my house as they are not allowed to add an extra cable from pole to house and as they still need the copper it can't be swapped out.
It looks like the installer kind of got around this issue by having them both using the same anchors on house and pole

On another note I would be a bit disappointed with all the extra components needed and the rather slow speed. So much for Ultra Fast Broadband.
If the can deliver 100mbs why on a 30mbs plan can't the deliver a solid 30mbs?


Well, I stand to be corrected here, but the quoted speed doesn't equal the received speed.

I never expected to receive 30Mbit/s. Why would I? Use speedtest.net to sample speeds from different servers. It varies greatly. I connect to a server in Christchurch only 160kms up the road and the speed is much less than connecting to Orcon, Auckland 450kms away. As I said, it's weakest link theory that matters.

When I was on ADSL, the speed at the cabinet just 200 metres away was 25Mbit/s yet I got only a solid 13Mbit/s. Now, I imagine the GPON at my exchange is hellishly quick, but that's not the real world. My data isn't originating at the GPON, it's coming from a server that has many factors affecting its delivery. You see speedtest.net data on this very forum that shows maybe 89Mbit/s on a 100Mbit/s plan. That's an 11% drop from theoretical. My 23Mbit/s is somewhat in line with that considering I'm not anywhere near as close to my test server. You might as well say that motorway speed is theoretically 100kph, but what is the actual speed you achieve on your journey? It ain't 100kph.

Frankly, I can't see why I'd upgrade to 100Mbit/s.

Another thing, and this is a no-brainer. I'll be paying *less* for my new plan than I did a few days ago on my ADSL setup for the same data cap. Why? Well, have a chat to a Telecom salesperson.



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  #798114 11-Apr-2013 21:52
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[Double edit: Just noticed the 23mbps is to a different ISP speedtest at the other end of the country. Imagine my palms flailing about and at least one of them slapping into my forehead :-) ]


Don't feel bad, that's why I posted both tests. Things vary.

As I said above, you have to be aware of what you are already getting in various use cases. I can see a big improvement in many areas and particularly with concurrent downloads. Considering I'm now paying less for my data, I'm more than happy.

Frankly, your average person may not see any difference. That doesn't mean there isn't any, it's just that they aren't utilising cases that make it startlingly obvious.

As an aside, there's this thing known as "upgrade fever". You've gotta have the latest becuase the latest is better, right? No, not always. It depends on your usage.



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  #798121 11-Apr-2013 22:03
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Back to your install - I would have instaled the hybrid cable into a section of electrical conduit, from the ETP to the vent (and possibly under the floor), to protect it from the elements (for its long term stability).


Thanks for that. Since Chorus is subbing to Downer, you think there's any point in asking them to apply that conduit at least into the vent?



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