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  Reply # 820142 15-May-2013 15:26
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OK overreaction here!

If we can pass savings on to existing customers we will.

Keep in mind in cases we agree to 12 month terms with Chorus for new connections.

1) I'm sure we can work something out for existing customers in a current contract term (which we'll review on a case by case basis).
2) Existing customers on no-contract terms and new customers will be able to sign up to our new plans from July 1.

I'll add this clarification to the blog tomorrow.

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  Reply # 820147 15-May-2013 15:29
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myfullflavour: OK overreaction here!

If we can pass savings on to existing customers we will.

Keep in mind in cases we agree to 12 month terms with Chorus for new connections.

1) I'm sure we can work something out for existing customers in a current contract term (which we'll review on a case by case basis).
2) Existing customers on no-contract terms and new customers will be able to sign up to our new plans from July 1.

I'll add this clarification to the blog tomorrow.


Okay great - just from reading the current blog update, that all existing users on contract are going to be stuck at the old prices for the 12 months - especially if its just a new connection to them.




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  Reply # 820252 15-May-2013 18:44
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NZCoderGuy:
myfullflavour: OK overreaction here!

If we can pass savings on to existing customers we will.

Keep in mind in cases we agree to 12 month terms with Chorus for new connections.

1) I'm sure we can work something out for existing customers in a current contract term (which we'll review on a case by case basis).
2) Existing customers on no-contract terms and new customers will be able to sign up to our new plans from July 1.

I'll add this clarification to the blog tomorrow.


Okay great - just from reading the current blog update, that all existing users on contract are going to be stuck at the old prices for the 12 months - especially if its just a new connection to them.


Keen to find out as well :-)




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  Reply # 820290 15-May-2013 20:01
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A Chorus marketing email says the following:


New pricing and specifications will in market from 7 June. Chorus VDSL will be offered as part of the BUBA product family under the UBA STD.


1. What is the difference between WVS0 and "Chorus VDSL"?

2. As soon as I see "BUBA" I think "no good for VoIP". Why is this offering placed under the BUBA category and how will it stack up for VoIP?




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  Reply # 820317 15-May-2013 21:04
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Surely not BUBA, we don't touch BUBA (not even with a 9 foot pole, or try not to at least). WVS0 should fall into the EUBA / UCLL categorisation surely? 

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  Reply # 820318 15-May-2013 21:06
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Stryfe: Surely not BUBA, we don't touch BUBA (not even with a 9 foot pole, or try not to at least). WVS0 should fall into the EUBA / UCLL categorisation surely? 


I C&P'd it from Chorus' ISP announcement email.




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  Reply # 820321 15-May-2013 21:12
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Ugh! Very uncool if Chorus categorises it as BUBA, we don't retail BUBA at all (except in very rare cases, and then through an upstream aggregator), and we would need to rejig our network again to facilitate this. 
Currently WVS0 is its own service category in wireline, it wouldn't make much sense (to me, at any rate) to all of a sudden chuck it in with legacy BUBA offerings...

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  Reply # 820323 15-May-2013 21:19
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The word BUBA refers to the Commmerce Commission regulated offering - remember of course that that ADSL / ADSL2+ are fully regulated offering with terms and conditions set by the commerce commission.

EUBA0 is simply an Ethernet product delivering the Commerce Commission regulated Basic UBA service on the same same terms as the ATM offering (but not enforcing the Commerce Commission user dimensioning).

VDSL2 is not a regulated offering but will now be offered with equivilant offering meeting the same conditions as the BUBA regulated service. It shouldn't be confused with BUBA as a product which is ATM based.

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  Reply # 820326 15-May-2013 21:24
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Hai hai, thanks for the clarification sbiddle :)

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  Reply # 820392 16-May-2013 02:57
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sbiddle: 

EUBA0 is simply an Ethernet product delivering the Commerce Commission regulated Basic UBA service on the same same terms as the ATM offering (but not enforcing the Commerce Commission user dimensioning).



The ComCom set a worst case bare minimum not a maximum. User dimensioning was not prescribed by the ComCom, that particular quirky system of artificially rate limiting at the handovers after the traffic had already traversed the backhaul network was monopolist artificial scarcity by Chorus (previously Telecom wholesale before separation). 

There are very few valid reasons why Chorus couldn't have provided a decent service instead of the bare minimum loop hole in the STD. Classic monopolist behaviour.

Funny how they stopped enforcing the policy once Telecom Retail had to use the same wholesale plans as anyone else for new customers. (rather than FPID).

Anyway /history......

With Chorus de-merged as a separate company it means they don't have the same lobbying power and influence that Telecom of old had.

Telecom is effectively now playing on the other team with all the other ISP's, Chorus won't likely be getting away as much as it used to when it was part of a vertically integrated monopoly.






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  Reply # 822038 19-May-2013 18:03
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Great news except for those of that aren't connected to a cabinet.

By sometime close to 2019 when the UFB rollout is done hopefully we'll be able to get download rates >5.5Mbit/s via a "wired" connection. By the time we get UFB I expect we'll be better off with a mobile data plan via 4G or whatever the next leap in mobile technology is.

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  Reply # 822075 19-May-2013 18:53
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dteirney: Great news except for those of that aren't connected to a cabinet.



VDSL2 isn't just cabinets. The linecards are in virtually every ISAM whether it's an exchange or cabinet.

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  Reply # 822088 19-May-2013 19:09
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sbiddle: The word BUBA refers to the Commmerce Commission regulated offering - remember of course that that ADSL / ADSL2+ are fully regulated offering with terms and conditions set by the commerce commission.

EUBA0 is simply an Ethernet product delivering the Commerce Commission regulated Basic UBA service on the same same terms as the ATM offering (but not enforcing the Commerce Commission user dimensioning).

VDSL2 is not a regulated offering but will now be offered with equivilant offering meeting the same conditions as the BUBA regulated service. It shouldn't be confused with BUBA as a product which is ATM based.


Potential congestion from increased uptake aside (if the ISP didn't scale for it or the exchange backhaul was congested), should any performance difference be seen with VDSL under the terms of BUBA vs the current VDSL terms users are on?

I'm wondering if there is anything else aside from pricing that changes about the product.

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  Reply # 822091 19-May-2013 19:15
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sbiddle:
dteirney: Great news except for those of that aren't connected to a cabinet.



VDSL2 isn't just cabinets. The linecards are in virtually every ISAM whether it's an exchange or cabinet.


True. Perhaps I should have said if you weren't lucky enough to be within the capture zone of the cabinetisation project that ended some years back and hence have terrible signal degradation because you are so far from the exchange. Our signal is so badly degraded all of the ADSL bins that overlap AM radio stations are knocked out of use.

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  Reply # 822092 19-May-2013 19:19
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eXDee: Potential congestion from increased uptake aside (if the ISP didn't scale for it or the exchange backhaul was congested), should any performance difference be seen with VDSL under the terms of BUBA vs the current VDSL terms users are on?

I'm wondering if there is anything else aside from pricing that changes about the product.


If an ISP is using Chorus tails to their core or a major handover this isn't an issue. If they're handing over in lots of smaller areas the ISP would have to review their backhaul to ensure it's scaled to suit the connections they're offering.

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