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  Reply # 885658 28-Aug-2013 08:17
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insane: But if you looked at your overall usage pattern I'm sure you'll find that the ratio of down vs up traffic is similar to your ratio of down vs up speed. This will be the same for 95% of all residential users.

I'm not suggesting that's a reason why not to have higher upload speeds as an option though. Options are good.

I wouldn't worry too much about Niel's comments, most ISPs think their customers are idiots when it comes to networking, and they're generally right.



lol.... I never 'worry' about Neils comments.

But I'm always very interested to hear what he has to say.

I get that he's just a grumpy old Telecom/NZGPO tech...  but his ill feeling about his stock price doesn't mean I'm any less interested to hear what he's got to say. ;)

I simply continue to question the upload issue because we're moving forward with technology.

I think you're right about traditional usage, I don't disagree.

But is this a horse and cart question?  Are users used to upload being so slow that they simply don't attempt to use apps that benefit from upload, such as more online backing up?

How often do we read about people who've lost all their photos?  Why aren't people trying harder to use online back up?

I wonder if it's because they just can't back stuff up in a 'reasonable' time?

I know I still haven't found a solution to this question that I like.  I liked CrashPlan, but it seemed to go commercial and not include a free option any more.  The CrashPlan software also seems to use a lot of resource on my netbook.

This makes me wonder if we're missing out on lots of opportunities from consumers because we don't have a great bit of software for Windows and the ability to upload the data.

I'd also like a little appliance that I could put on my network, like a NAS (but not) that I could plug a USB drive into, that could catch my changed files from my devices and then just push them to my back up server (which might be a NAS at my mums place), but I've yet to find a sensible product that I like.  Ideally such a solution would grab files off my android as well.  My phone is just so 'not backed up' when it comes to photos and videos.

/ramble.


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I really wonder sometimes, for VDSL (and Cable) there are very good reasons why the upload is limited along with the same reasons why ADSL upstream is only 1mb and Annex M isn't implemented. If Annex M or carriers were change in a different direction then all people on that copper bundle would be adversely affected. So Chorus (and before that Telecom) make the correct decision to have great broadband for all, rather than having one or two customers wanting higher upstream speeds to the detriment of all other customers on that copper bundle.

Let's re-read this whole thread: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=39&topicid=127109 to understand why upstream speeds are the way they are, then end up with my post: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=39&topicid=127109&page_no=4#872951 where I go into full detail about why Annex M won't be implemented. The same applies to Cable (that Vodafone run) but not so much on UFB GPON.

I think the thing that annoys Neil (and to a lesser degree me) is that many people seem to believe that it's a great conspiracy from Telecom (and now Chorus) that the upstream speeds are for some reason "limited" because Chorus are being cheap or wanting to screw over the country.

The specs the ITU and various other global bodies have created were done in the best interests of customers. So why does everyone think it's a conspiracy from their service provider?

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  Reply # 885661 28-Aug-2013 08:26
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The specs the ITU and various other global bodies have created were done in the best interests of customers. So why does everyone think it's a conspiracy from their service provider?


Because most people only consider themselves, and what they want, and not the impact it could potentially have on others. For many, it's a lack of genuine understanding, but sometimes it's just because they can't believe they're not important enough for everyone else to lose out so they can get what they want. Oh, often, they also don't consider, or understand, the financial implications of some of these decisions, particular in a small place like NZ.




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  Reply # 886019 28-Aug-2013 17:21
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plambrechtsen: . So Chorus (and before that Telecom) make the correct decision to have great broadband for all, rather than having one or two customers wanting higher upstream speeds to the detriment of all other customers on that copper bundle.



Incorrect. There are a lot of people now uploading lots of stuff(well 21 century), and waste time and electricity(computer must be turned on to finish UPLOAD! whoah). 

5/10 years ago upload speed was not an issue, but now it is, so VDSL is a solution but not for everyone, and that's sucks.  

If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.





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  Reply # 886050 28-Aug-2013 18:03
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plambrechtsen: . So Chorus (and before that Telecom) make the correct decision to have great broadband for all, rather than having one or two customers wanting higher upstream speeds to the detriment of all other customers on that copper bundle.



Incorrect. There are a lot of people now uploading lots of stuff(well 21 century), and waste time and electricity(computer must be turned on to finish UPLOAD! whoah). 

5/10 years ago upload speed was not an issue, but now it is, so VDSL is a solution but not for everyone, and that's sucks.  

If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



Sweet. Where should I address the bill for purchasing 400,000+ routers and paying for the logistics to get it to the people from the various different isps who have older routers that don't support annex m. I can put you in touch with a chorus investment manager. Would probably be around 30mil or so if you find a $50 modern plus the logistics which would easily run to 10mil. I am sure you are happy to fund that.

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  Reply # 886055 28-Aug-2013 18:20
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  Reply # 886156 28-Aug-2013 20:35
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  Reply # 886158 28-Aug-2013 20:39
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Kirdog:
If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



So, you're deciding for everyone that they want reduced downstream, so that you can get increased upstream? 




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  Reply # 886167 28-Aug-2013 21:00
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Kirdog:
If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



So, you're deciding for everyone that they want reduced downstream, so that you can get increased upstream? 


Downstream impact is not noticeable. 





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  Reply # 886193 28-Aug-2013 21:18
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If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



Can you please read the many posts telling you exactly why Annex M can't be enabled before you keep posting this? If you can't understand what people are telling you, somebody might be able to explain this in a simpler way so you can understand it.


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  Reply # 886195 28-Aug-2013 21:19
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Kirdog:
Inphinity:
Kirdog:
If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



So, you're deciding for everyone that they want reduced downstream, so that you can get increased upstream? 


Downstream impact is not noticeable. 



What part of a ~2Mbps loss isn't noticeable?


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  Reply # 886196 28-Aug-2013 21:20
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Guys, we are wayyyyy off topic. This is a speedtest thread.




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  Reply # 886292 29-Aug-2013 01:02
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Kirdog:
If annexM disbled due to crosstalk, then just enable it for EVERYONE, to prevent crosstalk. But here comes another problem: does current existing customer's modem/routers will support this connection.



Can you please read the many posts telling you exactly why Annex M can't be enabled before you keep posting this? If you can't understand what people are telling you, somebody might be able to explain this in a simpler way so you can understand it.





Stop being angry. Ban me if you want. 


I have understand everything, don't worry.

Vodafone and some other providers enabling annexM and its working without problems, but they using same cables with telecom, for example 16 phone pairs cable goes to the pole to connect 10 houses: some connections are annexA, some annexM, no problema.

I'm Russian intruder and i love to argue. Theory is just a theory, i prefer to test everything and see the real results and gain more information. Someone from here said if i will have SNR margin lower than 12 i will have a lot of problems with connection and etc. Well i lowered it to 4.8 and i have connected and didn't have any stability issues during the week, i even extend my line with bad AWG30 cable and gain 45 db line attenuation, and i have connected, magic... 

And yes 2Mbps for download speed is nothing. Just small impact on torrents and downloads.  

Sorry about offtop by the way :)




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  Reply # 886575 29-Aug-2013 15:14
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  Reply # 886594 29-Aug-2013 15:32
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Cabinet is literally out the front door. :)




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