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  #965657 12-Jan-2014 19:30
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bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


You pay a few bucks more for broadband, us urban dwellers pay hundreds of thousands more for real estate. I think you have the better end of the deal.

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  #965658 12-Jan-2014 19:31
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NonprayingMantis:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


You pay a few bucks more for broadband, us urban dwellers pay hundreds of thousands more for real estate. I think you have the better end of the deal.


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  #965659 12-Jan-2014 19:33
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I have to say that I get a bit annoyed about the relentless demand to reduce prices to the point where telecommunication companies are close to not having enough to invest in infrastructure. I'd rather pay a bit more if it meant I'd get fibre sooner rather than later. Ditto for the mobile phone companies. Bring on more 4G.

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  #965660 12-Jan-2014 19:34
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Check out the bb penetration and GDP chart. We do damn well considering our GDP is so low.

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  #965669 12-Jan-2014 19:48
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Buzz Bumble: Something we already knew from today's Herald on Sunday ...

Costly internet
New Zealand's broadband internet services are among the most expensive
in the 34-nation OECD. New rankings show the country's cheapest plans are
the seventh most exepensive, and high-end plans are among the dearest.
Internet New Zealand chief Jordan Carter said planned changes should
improve prices.



In all seriousness who writes such trash?

Snap's 200Mbps plan is cheaper than what you can get a 200Mbps plan from on any US telco, so the claim our "high spend plans are among the dearest" is completely and utterly false.






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  #965688 12-Jan-2014 19:58
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michaelmurfy:
NonprayingMantis:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


You pay a few bucks more for broadband, us urban dwellers pay hundreds of thousands more for real estate. I think you have the better end of the deal.


Nailed it!

We had that discussion last time...... or was it the time before that...

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  #965695 12-Jan-2014 20:19
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bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.





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  #965702 12-Jan-2014 20:31
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Klipspringer: Fast internet comes at a cost unfortunately. Overall NZ is very well placed when it comes to our broadband speeds.

IMO I think the costs are just right. What ISP's in NZ should look at doing though is implementing slower speed connections for those that think its too expensive. Ie, plans for like $29 per month, standard broadband 1.5Mbit/s.




Still gotta pay for a port buddy.

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  #965709 12-Jan-2014 20:47
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Well i always love these threads.
Seeing all the responses. I grew up in a rural area in Whangrei called Whatitiri. We waited for 4 years for 1 port. Connected to a cabinet 2.37 KM down the road. It wasn't a conklin but a new cabinet of its time. Alcatel 7330FD. Just to have a service that cost us around $70 a month that was better than dial up, We were completely over the moon. (This being 2006) Since then the gear has not changed. You know why? Because there are the same number of homes in the area. Given that the cabinet has no congestion and runs ADSL2 now and each port costs around 2-3 thousand on average i would not see any economic reason to upgrade it given it is working as designed and service a maximum of 50 customers. Some areas have less customers and that's why they would have a Conklin. Still working as designed and no economic sense in upgrading it. 

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  #965714 12-Jan-2014 20:54
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sbiddle:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.




thats the thing though, its not being upgraded and there isnt any plans to upgrade it in the near future. over the past years it has only gotten slower. Meanwhile, everywere else is getting plenty of upgrades.

if they actually did put money into upgrading it I would be happy to pay extra, sadly this isnt the case though.

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  #965717 12-Jan-2014 21:02
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bakewells5856:
sbiddle:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.




thats the thing though, its not being upgraded and there isnt any plans to upgrade it in the near future. over the past years it has only gotten slower. Meanwhile, everywere else is getting plenty of upgrades.

if they actually did put money into upgrading it I would be happy to pay extra, sadly this isnt the case though.


It really makes sense to keep our main cities in the dark ages. We can supply Fibre to 1000 homes or make ADSL2 available with no congestion to 20 users. 
You tell me what one makes the economic sense. Hopefully by 2020 all the main cities are 100% fibre cabled and the ADSL equipment will be pulled out and then the country will invest in the countryside.

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TimA:
bakewells5856:
sbiddle:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.




thats the thing though, its not being upgraded and there isnt any plans to upgrade it in the near future. over the past years it has only gotten slower. Meanwhile, everywere else is getting plenty of upgrades.

if they actually did put money into upgrading it I would be happy to pay extra, sadly this isnt the case though.


It really makes sense to keep our main cities in the dark ages. We can supply Fibre to 1000 homes or make ADSL2 available with no congestion to 20 users. 
You tell me what one makes the economic sense. Hopefully by 2020 all the main cities are 100% fibre cabled and the ADSL equipment will be pulled out and then the country will invest in the countryside.


thats not my point, it makes perfect sense to be upgrading the main cities first. what im saying is that if we are to be stuck on a congested conklin with no plans for upgrade, if anything it should cost less, not more. I feel like were paying extra to upgrade someone elses internet

maybe they should have higher pricing for those on the new RBI cabinets, similar to the way UFB has higher pricing than adsl2. to have higher prices for all rural users just seems unfair

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  #965728 12-Jan-2014 21:35
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bakewells5856:
sbiddle:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.




thats the thing though, its not being upgraded and there isnt any plans to upgrade it in the near future. over the past years it has only gotten slower. Meanwhile, everywere else is getting plenty of upgrades.

if they actually did put money into upgrading it I would be happy to pay extra, sadly this isnt the case though.


The problem is there are thousands of customers who can't have fixed line upgraded because the cost of doing so is so uneconomic. That's why Wireless RBI will cover most users who will ultimately be left on Conklin's and ASAM's once RBI is complete.

In many areas it's not possible to provide better backhaul than the current copper E1's, so the issue isn't just about replacing the Conklin or ASAM with a $150k cabinet, it's how you get backhaul to that cabinet with the cost of fibre running at a few thousand $ per km minimum to deploy.

You really should be complaining to the Commerce Commission anyway - broadband is a regulated offering and what Chorus offer meets the minimum service requirements set by the Commerce Commission of 32kbps per user averaged over 15 minutes.



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  #965732 12-Jan-2014 21:36
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bakewells5856:
maybe they should have higher pricing for those on the new RBI cabinets, similar to the way UFB has higher pricing than adsl2. to have higher prices for all rural users just seems unfair


UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)

The Commerce Commission won't split rural and urban, hence the reason the cost of copper has been averaged to remove the split. It would be entirely logical to charge rural users more for their current UBA offerings, which would remove must of the saturation of the ATM backhaul that isn't capable of supporting plans designed for EUBA and Ethernet backhaul, bit that's not going to happen.





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bakewells5856:
TimA:
bakewells5856:
sbiddle:
bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Rural users should pay more for broadband. If they did it could be used to justify the upgrade of equipment that can't be justified otherwise because it's providing a loss making service.




thats the thing though, its not being upgraded and there isnt any plans to upgrade it in the near future. over the past years it has only gotten slower. Meanwhile, everywere else is getting plenty of upgrades.

if they actually did put money into upgrading it I would be happy to pay extra, sadly this isnt the case though.


It really makes sense to keep our main cities in the dark ages. We can supply Fibre to 1000 homes or make ADSL2 available with no congestion to 20 users. 
You tell me what one makes the economic sense. Hopefully by 2020 all the main cities are 100% fibre cabled and the ADSL equipment will be pulled out and then the country will invest in the countryside.


thats not my point, it makes perfect sense to be upgrading the main cities first. what im saying is that if we are to be stuck on a congested conklin with no plans for upgrade, if anything it should cost less, not more. I feel like were paying extra to upgrade someone elses internet

maybe they should have higher pricing for those on the new RBI cabinets, similar to the way UFB has higher pricing than adsl2. to have higher prices for all rural users just seems unfair


Silly argument dont go there. We all have a great understanding why there are Conklin's in place that don't get upgraded or ADSL1 Cabinets. 

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