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  Reply # 965742 12-Jan-2014 21:50
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maybe they should have higher pricing for those on the new RBI cabinets, similar to the way UFB has higher pricing than adsl2. to have higher prices for all rural users just seems unfair


UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)

The Commerce Commission won't split rural and urban, hence the reason the cost of copper has been averaged to remove the split. It would be entirely logical to charge rural users more for their current UBA offerings, which would remove must of the saturation of the ATM backhaul that isn't capable of supporting plans designed for EUBA and Ethernet backhaul, bit that's not going to happen.






Very true. Most of those older BUBA connections over that limited ATM backhaul were in their peak when we had 2 or 5GB plans where we were all on a 1000/128k plans. People complaining about their 200GB plans and not being able to use the data. Probably because everyone else has 200GB and is stressing the service. Not to mention the average size of a website has gone up so much in 5 years. 

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  Reply # 965747 12-Jan-2014 21:59
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UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)


really? I assumed since it was faster it would be more expensive. seems they have this whole pricing thing backwards.

 The problem is there are thousands of customers who can't have fixed line upgraded because the cost of doing so is so uneconomic. That's why Wireless RBI will cover most users who will ultimately be left on Conklin's and ASAM's once RBI is complete.


unfortunately wireless RBI isnt a feasible option at the moment for a lot of people since the biggest plan available is 10gb, and even that is quite expensive. by the looks of things installation isnt free either. Hopefully in the future it will get cheaper, otherwise i cant see many people using it.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 965756 12-Jan-2014 22:14
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UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)


really? I assumed since it was faster it would be more expensive. seems they have this whole pricing thing backwards.

 The problem is there are thousands of customers who can't have fixed line upgraded because the cost of doing so is so uneconomic. That's why Wireless RBI will cover most users who will ultimately be left on Conklin's and ASAM's once RBI is complete.


unfortunately wireless RBI isnt a feasible option at the moment for a lot of people since the biggest plan available is 10gb, and even that is quite expensive. by the looks of things installation isnt free either. Hopefully in the future it will get cheaper, otherwise i cant see many people using it.


A lot of people that cant get ADSL can get RBI. And i tell you know 10GB is a damn site better than dial up or nothing at all. Its really for people that need to check emails and run a basic business. Most people dont need to watch youtube or porn all day. And most people out in the wops dont need a whole bunch of Linux ISO's. ITs the minority that it doesnt suit. But having those extra few GB's is always helpful.. BTW the largest plan i have seen is 20GB.

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  Reply # 965757 12-Jan-2014 22:15
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UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)


really? I assumed since it was faster it would be more expensive. seems they have this whole pricing thing backwards.

 The problem is there are thousands of customers who can't have fixed line upgraded because the cost of doing so is so uneconomic. That's why Wireless RBI will cover most users who will ultimately be left on Conklin's and ASAM's once RBI is complete.


unfortunately wireless RBI isnt a feasible option at the moment for a lot of people since the biggest plan available is 10gb, and even that is quite expensive. by the looks of things installation isnt free either. Hopefully in the future it will get cheaper, otherwise i cant see many people using it.

There are RBI providers with greater than 10GB caps, if fact the RBI provider the I do installs for, that's the starting point.




Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
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  Reply # 965870 13-Jan-2014 09:29
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From http://www.med.govt.nz/sectors-industries/technology-communication/fast-broadband/rural-broadband-initiative

Rural broadband initiative

"This initiative will deliver broadband to 252,000 rural households at pricesand levels of service comparable with urban areas."

$100 for 5GB or $110 for $15GB is NOT comparable to urban broadband prices.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the RBI process, Vodafone did agree to this, and other conditions when it was awarded the RBI contract.

I am concerned when a company that has received taxpayer subsidies does not honour the terms of the contract it entered into with the people of NZ.

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  Reply # 965890 13-Jan-2014 09:35
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UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)


really? I assumed since it was faster it would be more expensive. seems they have this whole pricing thing backwards.

 The problem is there are thousands of customers who can't have fixed line upgraded because the cost of doing so is so uneconomic. That's why Wireless RBI will cover most users who will ultimately be left on Conklin's and ASAM's once RBI is complete.


unfortunately wireless RBI isnt a feasible option at the moment for a lot of people since the biggest plan available is 10gb, and even that is quite expensive. by the looks of things installation isnt free either. Hopefully in the future it will get cheaper, otherwise i cant see many people using it.


Unfortunately you seem to want to be double dipping here and can't have it both ways.

A few posts above you said you'd be happy to pay for better performance - but now you're unhappy with the price of the Broadband service that is being delivered to you as a replacement for the fixed line infrastructure.

Once again if you have issues with the pricing the Commerce Commission are the people to contact, as the Wireless RBI is a regulated product.



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  Reply # 965894 13-Jan-2014 09:38
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Dynamike: From http://www.med.govt.nz/sectors-industries/technology-communication/fast-broadband/rural-broadband-initiative

Rural broadband initiative

"This initiative will deliver broadband to 252,000 rural households at pricesand levels of service comparable with urban areas."

$100 for 5GB or $110 for $15GB is NOT comparable to urban broadband prices.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the RBI process, Vodafone did agree to this, and other conditions when it was awarded the RBI contract.

I am concerned when a company that has received taxpayer subsidies does not honour the terms of the contract it entered into with the people of NZ.


What terms of the contract have Vodafone not met? The product is a regulated offering, this means base pricing is set by the Commerce Commission.

I personally don't think $115 for 20GB or 70GB for $185 is particularly expensive when the cost of building and delivering that service is factored in.

If you see an issue with the pricing the Commerce Commission are the people to talk to.


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  Reply # 965901 13-Jan-2014 09:42
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UFB pricing is cheaper than UBA (ADSL2+)


really? I assumed since it was faster it would be more expensive. seems they have this whole pricing thing backwards.



How is it backwards? UFB is ultimately designed to be a replacement for copper, and the idea of pitching entry level fibre below entry level copper was to encourage uptake.



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Dynamike: From http://www.med.govt.nz/sectors-industries/technology-communication/fast-broadband/rural-broadband-initiative

Rural broadband initiative

"This initiative will deliver broadband to 252,000 rural households at pricesand levels of service comparable with urban areas."

$100 for 5GB or $110 for $15GB is NOT comparable to urban broadband prices.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the RBI process, Vodafone did agree to this, and other conditions when it was awarded the RBI contract.

I am concerned when a company that has received taxpayer subsidies does not honour the terms of the contract it entered into with the people of NZ.

RBI through one of the RBI providers:
$75   10GB
$90   15GB
$105  20GB
$184  70GB






Chorus has spent $1.4 billion on making their xDSL broadband network faster. If your still stuck on ADSL or VDSL, why not spend from $150 on a master filter install to make sure you are getting the most out of your connection?
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Dynamike: From http://www.med.govt.nz/sectors-industries/technology-communication/fast-broadband/rural-broadband-initiative

Rural broadband initiative

"This initiative will deliver broadband to 252,000 rural households at pricesand levels of service comparable with urban areas."

$100 for 5GB or $110 for $15GB is NOT comparable to urban broadband prices.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with the RBI process, Vodafone did agree to this, and other conditions when it was awarded the RBI contract.

I am concerned when a company that has received taxpayer subsidies does not honour the terms of the contract it entered into with the people of NZ.

RBI through one of the RBI providers:
$75   10GB
$90   15GB
$105  20GB
$184  70GB




Some people just dont know how lucky they are. It always gets me why people in this country not just our Rural Geekzone members but the wider population expect a relief solution in a rural area to be that of a prime ADSL2 or VDSL2 spec where there is a condensed population.

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  Reply # 966074 13-Jan-2014 12:11
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Some people just dont know how lucky they are. It always gets me why people in this country not just our Rural Geekzone members but the wider population expect a relief solution in a rural area to be that of a prime ADSL2 or VDSL2 spec where there is a condensed population.


You can thank Federated Farmers for that one, The same clowns that wanted FTTH for the RBI just because Urban was getting it




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  Reply # 966082 13-Jan-2014 12:24
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bakewells5856: As a rural user I do feel quite ripped off. we pay more for a fraction of the speeds anyone else in NZ would get


Urban customers massively subsidize the price for rural customers, if you had to pay the true price you may have a point...

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  Reply # 966109 13-Jan-2014 12:45
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If the term "comparable price" was not used in references to the RBI, then there would be no issue. It was however, a prominent feature of the RBI. I believe people have a valid point if they feel misled.

I will not have RBI wireless coverage until year 5, by which time I expect the current pricing structure will have changed.

I have a relative that works in the office of the Minister for Communications and Information Technology (Amy Adams). The Minister is apparently aware of the pricing discrepancy and is keen to receive feedback from the public on the issue. I would recommend people write to her, rather than the Commerce Commission.

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  Reply # 966131 13-Jan-2014 13:29
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Dynamike: If the term "comparable price" was not used in references to the RBI, then there would be no issue. It was however, a prominent feature of the RBI. I believe people have a valid point if they feel misled.

I will not have RBI wireless coverage until year 5, by which time I expect the current pricing structure will have changed.

I have a relative that works in the office of the Minister for Communications and Information Technology (Amy Adams). The Minister is apparently aware of the pricing discrepancy and is keen to receive feedback from the public on the issue. I would recommend people write to her, rather than the Commerce Commission.


It is very comparable to what urban people were getting back who it was written. :p

$75 for 5GB was pretty standard back then.

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  Reply # 966501 13-Jan-2014 22:21
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I live on the edge of a small town with a population less than 6000 people and I get 50Mbit down and 10Mbit up for around the same price aus gets for an ADSL 1 connection.
internet in NZ is amazing value for money all things considered

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