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# 995621 27-Feb-2014 16:51

RoF is used in a lot of fibre deployments for TV (such as FiOS), it's a vastly more efficient way of distributing linear video content than using IP with a lot of gear giving 1Ghz of spectrum. That's a LOT of channels.

Will anybody use it? That's an unknown. The network has been designed to support in in the future though.

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# 995765 27-Feb-2014 20:14

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I think the "need" to provide fibre to the unit is totally over the top and only going to hinder UFB deployment.

In an MDU situation where suitable cat5e/6 runs to apartments are in place there should be no GPON deployment, surely the solution should allow for simplistic layer2 tails, ie a managed switch in the comms room, surely this should not really be an issue to deploy and even allow for multiple ISPs with QnQ etc.

As for RFoFibre, well most apartments have existing RG6 cable deployments, so why cannot any fibre delivered RF services be deployed over that, all this just needs thinking out of the square, if you dont include exiting cabling systems either for BB or TV then you have nothing but a major fail on your hands, clearly the folk that decide these things live on another rose tinted planet.

my 2c, and probably wrong, but me thinks that history will show that to follow the current "Rules" will simply end up in no delivered services and tears.

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# 995901 27-Feb-2014 23:49

If you can't get ufb, you will have to convince the body Corp to sign up for hsns fibre and share that to everyone in the building.

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# 995905 28-Feb-2014 00:09

sbiddle: The fibre there will be P2P fibre, not GPON. If you want a HSNS fibre connection, you could literally have it within days.

Fibre also needs to be run to your apartment, copper for distribution is not a supported scenario.
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It's funny as many customers of ours have media converters in basements of buildings, with ethernet cabling bringing services to offices for P2P connections. My UFB is being terminated in my garage and ethernet patch back to my little indoors patch panel some 30m away.

I guess it ultimately depends on how far each unit is away from the demarc point as Ethernet only goes so far and Chorus probably want a one-size-fits all setup to speed up the install process.

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# 996006 28-Feb-2014 08:42

insane:
sbiddle: The fibre there will be P2P fibre, not GPON. If you want a HSNS fibre connection, you could literally have it within days.

Fibre also needs to be run to your apartment, copper for distribution is not a supported scenario.
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It's funny as many customers of ours have media converters in basements of buildings, with ethernet cabling bringing services to offices for P2P connections.

A P2P service is quite a different offering from UFB and is not really a mass market offering.

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# 996167 28-Feb-2014 10:33

Aredwood: If you can't get ufb, you will have to convince the body Corp to sign up for hsns fibre and share that to everyone in the building.

Might be one way around it... :-)

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# 996171 28-Feb-2014 10:42

timwelch:
Aredwood: If you can't get ufb, you will have to convince the body Corp to sign up for hsns fibre and share that to everyone in the building.

Might be one way around it... :-)

Hey mate, sent you a PM. Think we live in the same building, I'm after UFB also so maybe we can get it sussed if we're both on the case.

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# 998293 3-Mar-2014 17:21

Chorusnz: This does seem odd on the face of it, but every instance such as this that I have looked into unveils a hidden problem.

If you can DM me the following I will investigate and come back with an answer;
Name & address details of the building complex.
The name of the consenting party who has signed off the consent forms (in your case the Body corp)
Service reference number & name of agent at ISP you have been dealing with

regards

^GL

Chorusnz: I've sent you a couple of DM's but you don't appear to be even reading them according to the Geekzone system? What gives?

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# 998298 3-Mar-2014 17:42

you do realise they are not obliged to read or do anything about your issue on here, they do it in their own time and when time permits.

and the last time they made a post was about the last time they replied in this thread so maybe they haven't been online since then?

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# 998599 4-Mar-2014 10:03

Jase2985: you do realise they are not obliged to read or do anything about your issue on here, they do it in their own time and when time permits.

and the last time they made a post was about the last time they replied in this thread so maybe they haven't been online since then?

No, it's fair to say that I didn't.

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# 1001655 9-Mar-2014 13:04

chevrolux:
Well put.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_over_Fiber looks like an interesting future.

I personally think it's a waste of time. Surely using multicast over the ISP network is a better option for media services.

And on the note of putting the ONT's in a basement, a lot of the time apartments are going to easily exceed the 100m length limitation for ethernet over Cat5e/Cat6 to get back to the comms room. So that means running privately owned fibre up to apartments and then media converters for every single aparement and blah blah blah. It would just be a nightmare.

Much of the preinstalled copper cabling won't be up to spec, usually require jumpering to be removed before capable of ethernet, definitely not certified to the Cat.6 spec, and bigger buildings will have cable runs over 100m anyway. It was only installed for phones so no guarantee that data connections wouldnt have high error rates.

If a user had to do trouble shooting there is no way for them to trace a fault in the Cat5e cable, although basement ONTs tend to be hardened rack-mounted multi-port things. They also tend to give 100M ethernet ports that allow phone signals to be carried on a different wire in the same cable. CFH requires UFB to provide gigabit connections into each apartment (even though users mostly buy less than 100M service) because the fibre build is supposed to be futureproofed.

Aredwood: If you can't get ufb, you will have to convince the body Corp to sign up for hsns fibre and share that to everyone in the building.

I suspect a few ISPs might be willing to provide a "fibre to the basement" solution. The multiport ONT that would have been suitable for GPON/UFB should also be available with Gigabit ethernet uplinks instead of GPON.

Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going ^_^

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# 1002737 11-Mar-2014 12:28

webwat:
I suspect a few ISPs might be willing to provide a "fibre to the basement" solution. The multiport ONT that would have been suitable for GPON/UFB should also be available with Gigabit ethernet uplinks instead of GPON.

With the Chorus annoucement today (11/03), it looks like Fibre to the Basement will be an acceptable solution for the UFB rollout.

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# 1002745 11-Mar-2014 12:37

I met with a member of the Chorus design team this morning and he believes that a rollout to each apartment is going to be "easy".

The fibre in the basement *is* the correct fibre; despite me being told several other times it was "wrong" by Visionstream contractors and various call-centre jockeys.

The installation from there, up the comms risers and to each apartment should be rather straight forward he believes.

It appears that our main stumbling block has been as a green fields site the developer signed it off as "not requiring" fibre to each apartment - presumably to save some money at the time.

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# 1002815 11-Mar-2014 14:26

Hi TimWelch,

just curious on the size of your apartment building as in how many floors and units per floor ect.

were you the only one gunning for UFB or was there a significant number of people in your building also inquiring for UFB, im just curious if i should try inform others to apply.

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# 1024976 14-Apr-2014 16:12

Our building is in the consent phase.

Chorus, does this mean just the body corporate is asked, or every apartment owner in the entire building?

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