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  # 1001648 9-Mar-2014 12:39
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What people dont get is whats going to happen when fibre ducts get hit pr cut and ampunt of down time there will be if and when it happens ( already seen a couple finre cabinets hit and been imvolved with repairing same as the micro ducting being cut)

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  # 1001650 9-Mar-2014 12:44
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KiwiNZ: Telco's still make a big percentage of their profit from the copper network especially voice. It should not be got rid of in the medium future.


Do you have any evidence to back this comment?

Telecom still make good profits as they own the NEAXs. Pretty much everybody else is simply reselling that service or providing VoIP solutions.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1001749 9-Mar-2014 15:39
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sbiddle:
KiwiNZ: Telco's still make a big percentage of their profit from the copper network especially voice. It should not be got rid of in the medium future.


Do you have any evidence to back this comment?

Telecom still make good profits as they own the NEAXs. Pretty much everybody else is simply reselling that service or providing VoIP solutions.



^ This. Actual profit from wholesale connections is so minimal it is almost laughable.

I also just wanted to chirp in and thank the Chorus guys for their service. I know you guys are getting even more smashed with both us and Orcon going to market with VDSL at around the same time and I truly feel for you. It can be a really dirty, thankless job but there are those of us who know and appreciate your work. :)




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  # 1001752 9-Mar-2014 15:47
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sbiddle:
KiwiNZ: Telco's still make a big percentage of their profit from the copper network especially voice. It should not be got rid of in the medium future.


Do you have any evidence to back this comment?

Telecom still make good profits as they own the NEAXs. Pretty much everybody else is simply reselling that service or providing VoIP solutions.



As advised by a Senior Telco Exec/family member




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  # 1001764 9-Mar-2014 16:34
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KiwiNZ:
sbiddle:
KiwiNZ: Telco's still make a big percentage of their profit from the copper network especially voice. It should not be got rid of in the medium future.


Do you have any evidence to back this comment?

Telecom still make good profits as they own the NEAXs. Pretty much everybody else is simply reselling that service or providing VoIP solutions.



As advised by a Senior Telco Exec/family member


I want figures, not simply repeating what somebody else says.

Telecom make margin. Nobody else does, or can, simply by reselling somebody else's services.

In terms of other copper services the margins on UBA are super slim in the residential space, it really has been a race to the bottom. Orcon have publically stated it takes them 27 months to make a profit on a UBA DSL customer.









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  # 1001779 9-Mar-2014 17:23
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sbiddle:
KiwiNZ:
sbiddle:
KiwiNZ: Telco's still make a big percentage of their profit from the copper network especially voice. It should not be got rid of in the medium future.


Do you have any evidence to back this comment?

Telecom still make good profits as they own the NEAXs. Pretty much everybody else is simply reselling that service or providing VoIP solutions.



As advised by a Senior Telco Exec/family member


I want figures, not simply repeating what somebody else says.

Telecom make margin. Nobody else does, or can, simply by reselling somebody else's services.

In terms of other copper services the margins on UBA are super slim in the residential space, it really has been a race to the bottom. Orcon have publically stated it takes them 27 months to make a profit on a UBA DSL customer.










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  # 1001794 9-Mar-2014 17:51
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TimA:  Maybe old Mavis and Gerald want to get a simple Telephone and none of this interwebs stuff.


Tim resource is limited. 

We don't keep analogue TV going just because some people don't see a need to upgrade a TV set.  We introduced freeview boxes, gave free ones to really poor people and told the rest to spend money.

There are many places where 50% of Kiwi's don't have the internet and people who want it.

New technology is our future, it's just that simple.

Those old people who don't want to support that view are not supporting my child, so I have little or no time for them.  It's just that simple.






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  # 1001795 9-Mar-2014 17:55
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DonGould:
TimA:  Maybe old Mavis and Gerald want to get a simple Telephone and none of this interwebs stuff.


Tim resource is limited. 

We don't keep analogue TV going just because some people don't see a need to upgrade a TV set.  We introduced freeview boxes, gave free ones to really poor people and told the rest to spend money.

There are many places where 50% of Kiwi's don't have the internet and people who want it.

New technology is our future, it's just that simple.

Those old people who don't want to support that view are not supporting my child, so I have little or no time for them.  It's just that simple.




Those old people helped build this nation you and your child live in.




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  # 1001799 9-Mar-2014 17:59
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hio77:

ild love to jump at fiber, wireless on the other hand, i do not support. im a big, need to use a cable sorta person, wireless doesnt provide the consistency and performance i look for. until we have fiber rolled out though, its not going to help much to say, copper needs to die in a hole.


Getting off topic here, but you're talking about OSI.

The whole point of OSI is being about to use the best technology at layer 1 for the situation.

Wireless is amazing technology, but you have to deploy it correctly.  This business of putting a single massive cell site on one hill and expecting it to deliver service to 5,000skm is just silly.

We have to build wireless sensible wireless networks.







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  # 1001800 9-Mar-2014 18:02
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KiwiNZ:  Those old people helped build this nation you and your child live in.


That's right.  But that doesn't give them the right to use horse and cart at the expense of my child.

I went into the home of some old people this week and just couldn't get over how selfish they were with power.  All their light bulbs were the old fashioned kind that use 100w of power to provide very little light.

Every rain drop counts.






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  # 1001802 9-Mar-2014 18:07
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Aredwood:
Im currently with Woosh for ADSL. Since they don't do fibre and I don't want to wait for my contract to expire, I will have to pay a $150 early disconnection fee to them. Alot of people im sure don't want to pay such a fee. So are probably waiting for their current contracts to expire. Also Im on a grandfathered plan with them which won't allow me to have a data cap larger than 80GB. If I want to move to a current plan the 2 year contract term will start again, and the termination fee will be $200.


You raised a number of quite interesting issues.

First I'm motivated to just give you a telling off.  Stop whinging about $200, cancel your contract and change provider.  Have some faith that what goes around comes around.  You help out Chorus and CFH by becoming a fibre user and some where you'll come across that $200 again.

But secondly we need to have a look at Chorus.  They've been in the media at late about profit warnings yet they have clearly failed to work with the ISP community to just make sure that everyone who wants to step up and provide service is on line.  That is just a disgrace.

$4.5b is being invested and TPLP's like Woosh are not on board.  Give me strength!






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  # 1001803 9-Mar-2014 18:09
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DonGould:
KiwiNZ:  Those old people helped build this nation you and your child live in.


That's right.  But that doesn't give them the right to use horse and cart at the expense of my child.

I went into the home of some old people this week and just couldn't get over how selfish they were with power.  All their light bulbs were the old fashioned kind that use 100w of power to provide very little light.

Every rain drop counts.




Age abuse is not nice.

At sometime in the future copper may go but we are many years away




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  # 1001805 9-Mar-2014 18:14
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I don't know about Chorus Monkeys, but here's the Monkey Chorus ...



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  # 1001806 9-Mar-2014 18:18
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KiwiNZ:  Age abuse is not nice.


Nor is sitting in your loverly home while there are children suffering in poverty with poor health because their parents don't feel they can afford the power that's needed to keep their homes warm.






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  # 1001807 9-Mar-2014 18:19
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TimA:
Buzz Bumble: There was some fool in the newspaper the other day saying that Chorus (or whoever) should be pulling out the copper lines as they install the fibre lines ... ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people are still using the coper lines and will be for many years yet, unless the Government does another rather pointless "digital switchover".


The news paper has no idea about anything, They post what would look best on a piece of paper. Some stuff they say is so off..
I think keeping the copper in the ground is a good idea. Maybe one day there is a new use for it? Maybe old Mavis and Gerald want to get a simple Telephone and none of this interwebs stuff.


I believe it was actually a politician who started the idea of pulling out the copper lines ... of course, politicians know even less than journalists. ;-)

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