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  #1014433 28-Mar-2014 10:40
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DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 

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  #1014554 28-Mar-2014 13:08
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sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost. 


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  #1014555 28-Mar-2014 13:10
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networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.



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  #1014556 28-Mar-2014 13:12
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plambrechtsen:
networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.


Well it would be to the end user.

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raytaylor:
plambrechtsen: I personally doubt Chorus would further cabinetise in that area, unless you and everyone else were interested in funding it. There are so many places that don't even have decent ADSL1 speeds, so with you getting ADSL2 and on the cusp of VDSL at around 900 meters from the exchange you are doing pretty well.


Was at a meeting with James (CEO of Inspire) a couple of weeks ago. He was complaining that he has been asking Chorus to build a cabinet that the residents were willing to pay for ($50k) and it was falling on deaf ears. Chorus dont appear to have any specific person you can talk to about such proposals. The buildout plans comes from government agreements and statisticians (monkeys with spreadsheets)


It won't be $50k, try at least 3 times that.

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plambrechtsen:
networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.


How much of that is "planning, resource consents, shining bureaucrat bald head costs..." etc.?




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  #1027978 19-Apr-2014 23:02
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Zeon:
plambrechtsen:
networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.


How much of that is "planning, resource consents, shining bureaucrat bald head costs..." etc.?


are you suggesting they install cabinets without any planning and without acquiring resource consent??
(the 'bald head' costs i can do without I suppose)



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  #1027979 19-Apr-2014 23:04
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Zeon:
plambrechtsen:
networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.


How much of that is "planning, resource consents, shining bureaucrat bald head costs..." etc.?


Or "Living in the real world, running a business, covering your costs and not expecting the commerce commission to see real sense".

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Zeon:
plambrechtsen:
networkn:
sbiddle: DSLAMs are cheap - but we really need to understand what the actual problem is first of all. If individual owners don't want to pay for a fixed monthly connection in each place (as it would seem they don't want do as that's the option they have right now), then a wireless hotspot solution for all apartments would seem to be the best option.
 


Which is what they have now, except it's on a ADSL2 connection getting about 12Mbps. I was hoping VDSL would improve performance to reasonable levels, for minimal cost.


A VDSL ISAM fully loaded to support 600 folks or so costs about $150k to get in.... So it's not exactly minimal cost.


How much of that is "planning, resource consents, shining bureaucrat bald head costs..." etc.?


I don't know any of the figures (and if I did I wouldn't be able to post them) so all of my views are gleemed from public information..

This is my understanding of the items that cost:

- The physical cabinet (made in NZ I believe, half of it is for the ISAM, and the other half is the MDF aka patch panel)
- The trenching in of fibre from wherever it is closest to the cabinet. I hear that runs in at around 10k per km.
- Resource consent
- Labour from one team to get the physical cabinet in there
- Labour from an engineering team to extend the copper pairs from both the exchange and out to the customers into the MDF in the cabinet.
- Then coordinating with each RSP to groom each customer in Chorus from the old cabinet to the new one, being that these folks are BUBA they will stay on BUBA but have a new calling station id so the RSP will need to have them setup to go otherwise they won't get service when they are cut-across.

I think to take all that into account, 150k is pretty cheap...

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