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#1030327 24-Apr-2014 09:25

Cbfd: It wasnt a fail on chorus behalf - it was the fact that FTTN only was able to run for a certain amount of years and the amount of cabinets that got upgrade covered this time - if new ones had to be installed then the project would only be finishing up now :)

This isn't true.. as Chorus are still upgrading over 800 cabinets under RBI over a 5 year period which is effectively still the same program of work to upgrade the legacy cabinets to improve broadband. I think RBI is supposed to finish up 2015 / 2016, so there is still a number of remote cabinets still to be upgraded.

The issue is that not all the metro areas were cabinetised to the point that everyone could get VDSL. Only 10+mb ADSL. So there are many folks (myself included) that are Exchange connected but not far enough away from the Exchange that a cabinet was put in, so the speeds that you get are the best they are going to be.

And as I always say, every house needs a Master Filter / Splitter if you want to get the best out of your broadband, especially if you are further away from the DSLAM.

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#1030344 24-Apr-2014 09:32

plambrechtsen:
The issue is that not all the metro areas were cabinetised to the point that everyone could get VDSL. Only 10+mb ADSL.

On that note, am I correct in my understanding that this is simply referring to ADSL2+ being viable at the location, rather than an actual measure of the expected speed?

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#1030353 24-Apr-2014 09:39

If you're on a cabinet in a metro area you should (well in probably 99% of cases) get 10Mbps+ as the MPF length from a cabinet is typically a maximum of 2km, with the vast majority being well under 1km. The vast majority of cabinet users in a metro area will also get VDSL2.

Exchange users aren't quite so lucky as the exchange typically covers a 2km radius before cabinetisation begins and then covers the outskirts of an exchange area beyond the cabinetisation foorprint.

RBI cabinets differ as they're typically covering a much larger area.

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#1030354 24-Apr-2014 09:41

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Cbfd: It wasnt a fail on chorus behalf - it was the fact that FTTN only was able to run for a certain amount of years and the amount of cabinets that got upgrade covered this time - if new ones had to be installed then the project would only be finishing up now :)

This isn't true.. as Chorus are still upgrading over 800 cabinets under RBI over a 5 year period which is effectively still the same program of work to upgrade the legacy cabinets to improve broadband. I think RBI is supposed to finish up 2015 / 2016, so there is still a number of remote cabinets still to be upgraded.

The issue is that not all the metro areas were cabinetised to the point that everyone could get VDSL. Only 10+mb ADSL. So there are many folks (myself included) that are Exchange connected but not far enough away from the Exchange that a cabinet was put in, so the speeds that you get are the best they are going to be.

And as I always say, every house needs a Master Filter / Splitter if you want to get the best out of your broadband, especially if you are further away from the DSLAM.

RBI and FTTN are two different projects

I know there were a few planned cabinets in those areas you were talking about when i was doing cabinisation up there - but due to the ending of the project and time left they were scrapped

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#1032355 28-Apr-2014 09:10

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#1032683 28-Apr-2014 17:14

Cbfd:
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Cbfd: It wasnt a fail on chorus behalf - it was the fact that FTTN only was able to run for a certain amount of years and the amount of cabinets that got upgrade covered this time - if new ones had to be installed then the project would only be finishing up now :)

This isn't true.. as Chorus are still upgrading over 800 cabinets under RBI over a 5 year period which is effectively still the same program of work to upgrade the legacy cabinets to improve broadband. I think RBI is supposed to finish up 2015 / 2016, so there is still a number of remote cabinets still to be upgraded.

The issue is that not all the metro areas were cabinetised to the point that everyone could get VDSL. Only 10+mb ADSL. So there are many folks (myself included) that are Exchange connected but not far enough away from the Exchange that a cabinet was put in, so the speeds that you get are the best they are going to be.

And as I always say, every house needs a Master Filter / Splitter if you want to get the best out of your broadband, especially if you are further away from the DSLAM.

RBI and FTTN are two different projects

I know there were a few planned cabinets in those areas you were talking about when i was doing cabinisation up there - but due to the ending of the project and time left they were scrapped

Thanks for your input Cbfd, so how come Chorus ran out of time - were there unexpected delays? I don't understand your stand saying Chorus is not the one who dropped the ball when it is their job to roll out the broadband infrastructure. So they leave chunks of the country with slow broadband (below 10Mbps - I get 5-6Mbps) to roll out fibre in parts of the network that already is getting speeds in excess of 10 Mbps.

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#1032684 28-Apr-2014 17:15

freitasm: Seeing this is not a Telecom problem, moved forums.

Sorry for that - rookie mistake.

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#1032702 28-Apr-2014 17:27

sbiddle: If you're on a cabinet in a metro area you should (well in probably 99% of cases) get 10Mbps+ as the MPF length from a cabinet is typically a maximum of 2km, with the vast majority being well under 1km. The vast majority of cabinet users in a metro area will also get VDSL2.

Exchange users aren't quite so lucky as the exchange typically covers a 2km radius before cabinetisation begins and then covers the outskirts of an exchange area beyond the cabinetisation foorprint.

RBI cabinets differ as they're typically covering a much larger area.

This reinforces my topic of Chorus dropping the ball. They should know better than to draw a circle around an exchange to determine the placement of cabinets. I live about a km from the exchange as the crow flies, but the copper route is 3.1 km. I think that Chorus are fudging their figures when it come to stating expected speeds. I'm sure that they are well aware that being 3.1 km from that exchange means at best ADSL1 speeds.

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#1032713 28-Apr-2014 17:43

would you rather them continue with their time and resources (ie money and man hours) on the old copper network or solely focus on the fiber roll out? just so you can get a little more speed.

you are getting what some people in nz would love to have as their download speed.

Sometimes its just hurry up and wait

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#1032721 28-Apr-2014 17:57

Jase2985: would you rather them continue with their time and resources (ie money and man hours) on the old copper network or solely focus on the fiber roll out? just so you can get a little more speed.

you are getting what some people in nz would love to have as their download speed.

Sometimes its just hurry up and wait

That is not what I am saying Jase2985. I don't think that it should be an either or thing. You see to be making this personal, but I just think that Chorus should fess up and be honest with the people of NZ about the true state of the network as I know that I am not the only one caught out here. Why can't they do the fibre roll out and upgrade dodgy copper? Hurry up and wait? Fibre is not slated to be rolled out in our area at all. Why not fix the worst affected areas, be it with fibre or copper, before upgrading the areas that are already getting speeds above 10-20Mbps.

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#1032726 28-Apr-2014 18:07

i think you are the one making it personal you are failing to see the logistsic and financial implications of your suggestions

they dont want to spend more money on copper unless they have to because fiber is the way they have now chosen to go.

you want them to spend money to give yourself and a small few others that care about download speed (a minority of those in those areas) in your situation faster broadband but what about those that get delays in getting fiber because of the time and money that they put forward to sort you out on an inferior technology?

the end of the day they may have dropped the ball but its not going to change the fact you are getting the speed you are getting nor is them fessing up going to change that either. and nothing is really going to change till you get fiber rolled out in your area

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#1032733 28-Apr-2014 18:21

you see, these numbers are simply an estimate.

often i see the numbers come out to be well below what is actually attained, while others are above.

you seem to be getting very caught up on it, and the way your posts are written does have a this is something that personally offends me vibe, which i suspect jase has picked up on here.

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#1032735 28-Apr-2014 18:22

Jase2985: i think you are the one making it personal you are failing to see the logistsic and financial implications of your suggestions

they dont want to spend more money on copper unless they have to because fiber is the way they have now chosen to go.

you want them to spend money to give yourself and a small few others that care about download speed (a minority of those in those areas) in your situation faster broadband but what about those that get delays in getting fiber because of the time and money that they put forward to sort you out on an inferior technology?

the end of the day they may have dropped the ball but its not going to change the fact you are getting the speed you are getting nor is them fessing up going to change that either. and nothing is really going to change till you get fiber rolled out in your area

I'm sorry Jason but what is wrong with wanting better broadband? I don't know the most cost effective solution, but why not roll out fibre the areas that missed out on the cabinets?

I don't believe that nothing would change if Chorus were honest about the state of the network.

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#1032738 28-Apr-2014 18:27

CactusCat:
Jase2985: i think you are the one making it personal you are failing to see the logistsic and financial implications of your suggestions

they dont want to spend more money on copper unless they have to because fiber is the way they have now chosen to go.

you want them to spend money to give yourself and a small few others that care about download speed (a minority of those in those areas) in your situation faster broadband but what about those that get delays in getting fiber because of the time and money that they put forward to sort you out on an inferior technology?

the end of the day they may have dropped the ball but its not going to change the fact you are getting the speed you are getting nor is them fessing up going to change that either. and nothing is really going to change till you get fiber rolled out in your area

I'm sorry Jason but what is wrong with wanting better broadband? I don't know the most cost effective solution, but why not roll out fibre the areas that missed out on the cabinets?

I don't believe that nothing would change if Chorus were honest about the state of the network.

chances are, these areas this missed a cabinet were lower on the pecking order.

this would also repeat in fiber rollouts, where your trying to get the masses first.

chorus are still replacing some cabinets under RBI, but your issue appears to be actual network layout, inwhich its just working as designed.

never think, i am close to the exchange so i will have a good connection. if you care about connectivity, look into it before you move. have prequals done, know what your stepping into. the girlfriend hated this stance when we moved at the in last year, simply because there were good options that popped up, but it was in a bad place for connectivity, you simply need to weigh it up.

there is nothing at all wrong with wanting better connectivity, but you should be aware it doesnt come cheap, and demanding it wont get you anywhere..

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#1032741 28-Apr-2014 18:28

hio77: you see, these numbers are simply an estimate.

often i see the numbers come out to be well below what is actually attained, while others are above.

you seem to be getting very caught up on it, and the way your posts are written does have a this is something that personally offends me vibe, which i suspect jase has picked up on here.

Fair enough - I will stop posting on this thread. It was never my intention to offend anyone and if I have then I am sorry. I am new to this and I guess I do have a touch of the evangelist in my posts. I am just worried that with the rapid advance of technology that our area is being left behind. 5Mbps my be acceptable today but I feel that it will not be in 5 years time.

Thanks to all for their replies.

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