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Behodar
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  #1043703 14-May-2014 12:39
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Behodar: The pessimist in me says that it's a way for Chorus to let the "non-Boost" product get overly congested if the Comcom regulated prices plummet...

I apologise; I did not read the press release completely.

Chorus also remains committed to delivering its regulated broadband products and reiterated its previous commitment that it will not throttle the regulated broadband service to an unusable level in order to artificially create demand for commercial products.

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  #1043743 14-May-2014 12:56
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Behodar:
Behodar: The pessimist in me says that it's a way for Chorus to let the "non-Boost" product get overly congested if the Comcom regulated prices plummet...

I apologise; I did not read the press release completely.

Chorus also remains committed to delivering its regulated broadband products and reiterated its previous commitment that it will not throttle the regulated broadband service to an unusable level in order to artificially create demand for commercial products.


No throttling involved, just reduce the number of handover points on the backhaul to ISP's, as Telecom/Chorus have done, thus inadvertently causing congestion but as the overall service is actually above the regulated minimum you get/got what you got/get. 

Super pessimist here...

Tim

p.s. Still at work so no pitiful speedtest result.

 
 
 
 


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  #1043750 14-May-2014 13:03
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NBR has the details with a nice little table:  http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/chorus-re-engages-isps-offering-1000-customers-double-speed-ufb-fibre

No 'real' pricing because FPP isn't complete (that is the ComCom process right?)

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  #1043805 14-May-2014 13:28
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Our Commerce Commission just got own3d by Chorus.. That'll teach them for thinking they're smarter than what they really are.

It was also suggested to me the new VDSL2 offering may support multicast, no idea if this is true or not but it would enable VF to deploy the t-box over VDSL2 which was their original goal many years ago, and also for a couple of other rumoured IPTV players looking to introduce multicast services to offer guaranteed QoS.



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  #1043811 14-May-2014 13:33
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Anyone know what's the current price for wholesale VDSL?

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  #1043820 14-May-2014 13:42
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NZtimbo: No throttling involved, just reduce the number of handover points on the backhaul to ISP's, as Telecom/Chorus have done, thus inadvertently causing congestion but as the overall service is actually above the regulated minimum you get/got what you got/get.

Indeed that may happen without any actual throttling; I just noticed the statement in the press release and wanted to indicate that I'd seen it :)

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  #1043821 14-May-2014 13:42
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sbiddle: Our Commerce Commission just got own3d by Chorus.. That'll teach them for thinking they're smarter than what they really are.

It was also suggested to me the new VDSL2 offering may support multicast, no idea if this is true or not but it would enable VF to deploy the t-box over VDSL2 which was their original goal many years ago, and also for a couple of other rumoured IPTV players looking to introduce multicast services to offer guaranteed QoS.



could you explain why Chorus 'own3d' the govenrment here a bit further?  I'm not quite following.

From a DSL point of view, they have announced some new plans, which is nice,  but only RSPs who intend to offer multicast video type services will 'benefit' and they will also have a to pay a lot more for them too.  the Boost VDSL, for example, is ~$50, $5 more than the current VDSL price, and $10 more than the new 'entry level' UFB price which gets you 100/20.

The Boost DSL is discounted to $45, but will presumably go up by $5 or so at Dec 2014 at the same time as the regulated DSL price is due to drop to (I beleive) around $30,  so no RSP in their right mind is going to pay for that service when they will be able to get normal DSL for maybe $10-20 less than that.  
Only VF will 'need' to use it to provide VF TV, but that is such a pointless service anyway (its just retransmitting Sky which everyone can already get) that very few people are going to actually want it anyway.  

Telecom's new video service is all VOD, much more in line with what people actually want to view, but is completely 'over the top' and doesn't require any of these services.  So Telecom retail can buy standard UBA and VDSL and totally ignore these new products.  Standard DSL/VDSL/UFB works just fine with VOD already (as many people here will attest), even more so when the content is hosted in NZ.




don't get me wrong, it's a cool announcement, especially the higher spec UFB plans, but unless there is something I am missing, I just don't see how this 'owns' the government.

 
 
 
 


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  #1043823 14-May-2014 13:44
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DarkShadow: Anyone know what's the current price for wholesale VDSL?


~$45  (with an optional $5 'add-on'  if you need a master filter installed.)
but like for like,  this new 'Boost' VDSL is $5 more than current VDSL.

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  #1043829 14-May-2014 13:50
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NonprayingMantis:
could you explain why Chorus 'own3d' the govenrment here a bit further?  I'm not quite following.



Chorus have effectively used govt funded infrastructure to deliver a commercial offering that puts the own comcom regulated offerings to shame.



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  #1044879 14-May-2014 15:43
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sbiddle:
NonprayingMantis:
could you explain why Chorus 'own3d' the govenrment here a bit further?  I'm not quite following.



Chorus have effectively used govt funded infrastructure to deliver a commercial offering that puts the own comcom regulated offerings to shame.




And ISP's will pass on the "Vallue Added" cost to customers, they would not/could not absorb the extra cost and I wouldn't expect them to anyway.  Choice is a great thing and yep Chorus have played their hand well...

Just cross my fingures it's actually going to be avalible for us.  I'd be extreamly peeved if they, say, upgrade our ADSL1 BUBA exchange with new ADSL2/VDSL2 gear and put those who don't pay on the old ADSL1 profile and those that do pay go onto a ADSL2/VDSL2 profile similar to BUBA/EUBA.

Tim

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  #1044882 14-May-2014 15:59
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Spare a thought for us poor Christchurch residents who are stuck with enable for their LFC

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  #1044884 14-May-2014 16:02
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NZtimbo:
sbiddle:
NonprayingMantis:
could you explain why Chorus 'own3d' the govenrment here a bit further?  I'm not quite following.



Chorus have effectively used govt funded infrastructure to deliver a commercial offering that puts the own comcom regulated offerings to shame.




And ISP's will pass on the "Vallue Added" cost to customers, they would not/could not absorb the extra cost and I wouldn't expect them to anyway.  Choice is a great thing and yep Chorus have played their hand well...

Just cross my fingures it's actually going to be avalible for us.  I'd be extreamly peeved if they, say, upgrade our ADSL1 BUBA exchange with new ADSL2/VDSL2 gear and put those who don't pay on the old ADSL1 profile and those that do pay go onto a ADSL2/VDSL2 profile similar to BUBA/EUBA.

Tim

p.s. Still at work no crappy speedtest result


Sorry, I've just got to give a big massive HUH?! to that.

It'd be in Chorus' interests to make sure you are on the ADSL2 profile, especially if you are on the lower QoS plan.  The targets that they have to meet per ComCom are so poor anyone would splurge to the Boost plans.

My understanding is:

Boost packages: Chorus makes sure that Cabinet/Exchange handovers have enough handover/CIR/whatever they define as the technical term they'll use for customers to be able to stream HD video/audio up to a certain bitrate (end connections dependent etc obviously, and ISPs purchasing enough handover for the services as well).
BUBA/EUBA: Chorus runs connections to a maximum of 'best effort', to of a minimum of 'the letter of the law' (what we currently have) - Chorus ADSL connections far exceed the letter of the law as far as handovers go, thank god, Chorus could cripple ADSL services, but thankfully haven't.

It'd be a win-win for all hopefully.  Except maybe low users with the removal of the 30/10 Fibre plans.

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Shoes2468: Spare a thought for us poor Christchurch residents who are stuck with enable for their LFC


Except for those of us in a Chorus-fed fibre subdivision ;-)

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  #1044888 14-May-2014 16:04
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nigelj: Except maybe low users with the removal of the 30/10 Fibre plans.

The existing regulated plans, including 30/10, will still be available.

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  #1044906 14-May-2014 16:28
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Behodar:
nigelj: Except maybe low users with the removal of the 30/10 Fibre plans.

The existing regulated plans, including 30/10, will still be available.


Ahhh mistake acknowledged, I'd misinterpreted part of the NBR article to take it that Chorus were somehow chopping it (it really confused me I must admit, considering I knew it was regulated). I eat my above quoted statement.   Crunchy.

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