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  Reply # 1044917 14-May-2014 16:45
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hio77: although the more i read it, the more i get the feeling its simply a higher CIR..

The pessimist in me says that it's a way for Chorus to let the "non-Boost" product get overly congested if the Comcom regulated prices plummet...

Edit: Which Timbo just said!

+1 on this speculation.

Question: What happens to the 50/20 plan? whats that priced at?

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  Reply # 1045125 14-May-2014 20:55
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could you explain why Chorus 'own3d' the govenrment here a bit further?  I'm not quite following.

Chorus have effectively used govt funded infrastructure to deliver a commercial offering that puts the own comcom regulated offerings to shame.

And ISP's will pass on the "Vallue Added" cost to customers, they would not/could not absorb the extra cost and I wouldn't expect them to anyway.  Choice is a great thing and yep Chorus have played their hand well...

Just cross my fingures it's actually going to be avalible for us.  I'd be extreamly peeved if they, say, upgrade our ADSL1 BUBA exchange with new ADSL2/VDSL2 gear and put those who don't pay on the old ADSL1 profile and those that do pay go onto a ADSL2/VDSL2 profile similar to BUBA/EUBA.


p.s. Still at work no crappy speedtest result

Sorry, I've just got to give a big massive HUH?! to that.

It'd be in Chorus' interests to make sure you are on the ADSL2 profile, especially if you are on the lower QoS plan.  The targets that they have to meet per ComCom are so poor anyone would splurge to the Boost plans.

My understanding is:

Boost packages: Chorus makes sure that Cabinet/Exchange handovers have enough handover/CIR/whatever they define as the technical term they'll use for customers to be able to stream HD video/audio up to a certain bitrate (end connections dependent etc obviously, and ISPs purchasing enough handover for the services as well).
BUBA/EUBA: Chorus runs connections to a maximum of 'best effort', to of a minimum of 'the letter of the law' (what we currently have) - Chorus ADSL connections far exceed the letter of the law as far as handovers go, thank god, Chorus could cripple ADSL services, but thankfully haven't.

It'd be a win-win for all hopefully.  Except maybe low users with the removal of the 30/10 Fibre plans.

I'd suspect that BUBA (last 10% maybe) customers will not get any of these new value added services, Telecom/Chorus have reduced the number of handover points causing congestion.  While increasing the available backhaul for said BUBA customers would be great they don't need to cause, as you noted, the rather pitiful result (some 15% of my capable speed when I'm sleeping) is above the regulated minimum.  

It's also much better for shareholders to offer value added services and watch the pundits move cause the regulated services are rather poor...

As i said before well played Chorus well played... 



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  Reply # 1045130 14-May-2014 21:10
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The problem with a large number of BUBA customers is that increasing backhaul isn't an option - many are on E1 backhaul and moving to Ethernet based and/or fibre backhaul simply isn't possible.



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  Reply # 1045465 15-May-2014 12:06
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since i'm not seeing many figures in this thread this is my understanding of the current plan:

they will dimension all EUBA handovers to a 300k CIR per subscriber - if you are on the plus product you will get a 5M CIR.

not sure if ISPs will need to get a seperate EUBA handover for plus or what

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