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  #1064645 13-Jun-2014 07:21
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sbiddle:
PhantomNVD: So nothing but bandwidth limiting limits a symmetrical fibre plan then?
Good to know, thanks!


GPON is not symmetrical, it's asymmetrical.



the ratios aren't anything near as bad as adsl though.   i think some people are doing gigabit/gigabit on gpon.

http://networkmatter.com/2014/02/27/google-fibers-brewing-little-secret-exposed-its-gpon/

looks like google's fibre is gpon too.


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  #1064648 13-Jun-2014 07:45
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sbiddle:
ripdog:
As for the boxes at either end of the current fibre? That's called GPON. Each Optical Line Terminal (at the exchange etc) can manage 2.488 Gbit downstream and 1.244 Gbit upstream. That is then passively (as in the name) split between up to 64 customers. Offering gigabit speeds on GPON means they're unlikely to put more than 2 customers per OLT. I've sent them an email asking about exactly what they plan.



Think more like 16 users, with 2 users you'd be paying a wayyyyy lot more for a GPON connection.


Something doesn't add up. Either these new plans will be

* ridiculously oversubscribed
* run at a huge loss
* using 10GPON without anyone noticing

I'm still waiting on the reply to my email to UFF, along these questions.

 
 
 
 


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  #1064652 13-Jun-2014 08:00
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ripdog:
sbiddle:
ripdog:
As for the boxes at either end of the current fibre? That's called GPON. Each Optical Line Terminal (at the exchange etc) can manage 2.488 Gbit downstream and 1.244 Gbit upstream. That is then passively (as in the name) split between up to 64 customers. Offering gigabit speeds on GPON means they're unlikely to put more than 2 customers per OLT. I've sent them an email asking about exactly what they plan.



Think more like 16 users, with 2 users you'd be paying a wayyyyy lot more for a GPON connection.


Something doesn't add up. Either these new plans will be

* ridiculously oversubscribed
* run at a huge loss
* using 10GPON without anyone noticing

I'm still waiting on the reply to my email to UFF, along these questions.


if bandwidth is still shared evenly between users then it's fine to oversubscribe.

it'd be very rare to actually run at anything close to gigabit for a long duration.

higher speeds can still allow better burst performance.

as far as actual congestion goes, 10 gigabit links to providers, and between regions are more likely to get congested, but i imagine that'll be fixed by just adding extra links as needs arise.


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  #1064656 13-Jun-2014 08:19
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mercutio: people don't /need/ fibre.


Throw 4K video into the mix and you may just very well need it as ADSL2+ is just a bit too close to the bitrate required.  Then again, we'll probably need a Netflix content server in the country before that becomes a reality too. :)

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  #1064657 13-Jun-2014 08:25
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colinbowern:
mercutio: people don't /need/ fibre.


Throw 4K video into the mix and you may just very well need it as ADSL2+ is just a bit too close to the bitrate required.  Then again, we'll probably need a Netflix content server in the country before that becomes a reality too. :)


can you really say that you need 4k video?

i hardly ever find any normal videos that support 1440p or higher on youtube.

searchign youtube for 1440p i find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p56_y43UuEk
which streams fine on adsl at 1440p.  looks pretty good too.  stats for nerds suggests it's about 11megabit.

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  #1064686 13-Jun-2014 09:32
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mercutio:
colinbowern:
mercutio: people don't /need/ fibre.


Throw 4K video into the mix and you may just very well need it as ADSL2+ is just a bit too close to the bitrate required.  Then again, we'll probably need a Netflix content server in the country before that becomes a reality too. :)


can you really say that you need 4k video?

i hardly ever find any normal videos that support 1440p or higher on youtube.

searchign youtube for 1440p i find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p56_y43UuEk
which streams fine on adsl at 1440p.  looks pretty good too.  stats for nerds suggests it's about 11megabit.


We're going to need a Netflix server in every POP when they finally land down here.

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  #1064948 13-Jun-2014 14:58
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Anyone got an idea of what type of network they're running for last mile.

From what I understand Chorus runs GPON with 2.4/1.2 gbps connected to a number of houses (around 30?). Obviously, that might not work for gigabit connections, whats UFF using?

I'm also unsure why they continue to have such low upload speeds on fibre. You could easily just say "1gbit", seeing as people rarely upload a lot of stuff and it's unlikely they can even send 1gbit/s anyway. I mean, yes GPON is asymmetric but not that asymmetric. 

 
 
 
 


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  #1064991 13-Jun-2014 15:20
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bbqroast: You could easily just say "1gbit", seeing as people rarely upload a lot of stuff and it's unlikely they can even send 1gbit/s anyway.


Just wait until New Zealand starts seeding EVERYTHING to the rest of the world on our 1Gbps upload...

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  #1065005 13-Jun-2014 15:39
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myfullflavour:
bbqroast: You could easily just say "1gbit", seeing as people rarely upload a lot of stuff and it's unlikely they can even send 1gbit/s anyway.


Just wait until New Zealand starts seeding EVERYTHING to the rest of the world on our 1Gbps upload...


Take a bit to beat france, netherlands and germany with all those seedboxes

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  #1065007 13-Jun-2014 15:42
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myfullflavour:
bbqroast: You could easily just say "1gbit", seeing as people rarely upload a lot of stuff and it's unlikely they can even send 1gbit/s anyway.


Just wait until New Zealand starts seeding EVERYTHING to the rest of the world on our 1Gbps upload...


I still wouldn't seed, I'm just that sort of person.







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  #1065040 13-Jun-2014 17:00
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solaybro:
myfullflavour:
bbqroast: You could easily just say "1gbit", seeing as people rarely upload a lot of stuff and it's unlikely they can even send 1gbit/s anyway.


Just wait until New Zealand starts seeding EVERYTHING to the rest of the world on our 1Gbps upload...


I still wouldn't seed, I'm just that sort of person.


Nor would i waste my own home resources seeding. Waste someone else's resources!

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  #1065046 13-Jun-2014 17:07
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DjShadow: Looks like they have beaten "Giggatown" to this, whole UFF network will have it as an option

Link to Press Release


TimA: And chorus were making this hype about gigatown. Well guess what, they made giga everything!!!


I am laughing sooooo hard right now
Lol is not a word to describe how hard I am laughing

LSHMSFOAIDMT would better describe what just happened to me.




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  #1065051 13-Jun-2014 17:16
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blakamin:
TimA:
blakamin: Meanwhile, in Australia.... 30down/1up or 100down/2up is all we get coz NBN is a joke. cry


100/2 and people were complaing cable has 10Mbp/s up on the top plan O_o

Exactly!!! A lot of NZ doesn't realise how good your internet is!



I am constantly telling people this.
In australia, conklins (or the equivalant) are EVERYWHERE, and in the USA, entire cities run on 3mbit DSL

Where as every urban area in NZ has at least 10mbit.





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  #1065054 13-Jun-2014 17:19
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eXDee:
myfullflavour:
Behodar: I wonder whether Chorus will match this. Current Chorus wholesale price appears to be $275, but matching it wouldn't be great for the Gigatown initiative. Hmm...

Edit: Chorus plan is 1000 both ways. Not sure what the upload speed of UFF's new one is.


At this stage 20Mbps upload, subject to change with further testing.


Wait what, 20Mbps up?

Jump in the time machine back to the 128k upload days.


Yep I just ran a quick calculation- If 128kbit could get you 4.5mbit down, then you are going to require closer to 29mbits to get the full gigabit of download speed.
So I think the marketing department has just made an announcement without talking to the techs first. Though as they say, they are going to do some testing to fine tune the product




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  #1065055 13-Jun-2014 17:19
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raytaylor:
blakamin:
TimA:
blakamin: Meanwhile, in Australia.... 30down/1up or 100down/2up is all we get coz NBN is a joke. cry


100/2 and people were complaing cable has 10Mbp/s up on the top plan O_o

Exactly!!! A lot of NZ doesn't realise how good your internet is!



I am constantly telling people this.
In australia, conklins (or the equivalant) are EVERYWHERE, and in the USA, entire cities run on 3mbit DSL

Where as every urban area in NZ has at least 10mbit.



i seem to remember reading that average US speed was 27 megabit.

this site suggests 24.6 megabit: http://www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/

m
ost people have got at least 25 megabit internet available with comcast, ipv6 support.

the main problem is there isn't much competition, so there's verizon, comcast, cox, with huge segregated markets.

at&t do the god awful slow dsl, just like telecom used to in nz.  

i dunno what happened, but for some reason telecom actually fixed dsl in nz, before ufb started and it was split off into chorus.


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