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#1065166 13-Jun-2014 19:50

quickymart: Outram (north-west of Dunedin, btw, not north) appears to have pretty good Vodafone 3G extended broadband coverage and good on XT as well. How much data do you need?

If you'd visited Outram, you'd know the reception is crap. I currently have 1 bar on Telecom, my partner has 2 bars on vodafone (which is a surprise it's normally 1) and I imagine I'm in one of the better areas for reception. Cellular data throughput is typically terrible here.

I have mostly accepted that my connection is crap, and I try to do my bit to reduce congestion during peak times. But if Tim is correct, and chorus has done something that made our connection worse, I think that's unacceptable.

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#1065169 13-Jun-2014 19:55

andrewNZ:
quickymart: Outram (north-west of Dunedin, btw, not north) appears to have pretty good Vodafone 3G extended broadband coverage and good on XT as well. How much data do you need?

If you'd visited Outram, you'd know the reception is crap. I currently have 1 bar on Telecom, my partner has 2 bars on vodafone (which is a surprise it's normally 1) and I imagine I'm in one of the better areas for reception. Cellular data throughput is typically terrible here.

I have mostly accepted that my connection is crap, and I try to do my bit to reduce congestion during peak times. But if Tim is correct, and chorus has done something that made our connection worse, I think that's unacceptable.

Chorus wouldn't do anything intentionally to make a connection worse. Assuming that is ludicrous.
BTW.. RBI has a high powered aerial and using a cell phone to gauge reception is bad. It's on a different level.

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#1065187 13-Jun-2014 20:38

Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

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#1065189 13-Jun-2014 20:44

Have a chat with WIC who are the local WISP.
I just asked them and tt seems they may be able to help out with some faster internet!
https://twitter.com/wicnz/status/477370137876504580
www.wic.co.nz or @wicnz on twitter

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#1065190 13-Jun-2014 20:44

stuzzo:
Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

I'm pretty sure you're going to find that rural people are getting much better subsidies per capita through RBI than City folk are on the UFB.

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#1065194 13-Jun-2014 20:53

TimA:
andrewNZ:
quickymart: Outram (north-west of Dunedin, btw, not north) appears to have pretty good Vodafone 3G extended broadband coverage and good on XT as well. How much data do you need?

If you'd visited Outram, you'd know the reception is crap. I currently have 1 bar on Telecom, my partner has 2 bars on vodafone (which is a surprise it's normally 1) and I imagine I'm in one of the better areas for reception. Cellular data throughput is typically terrible here.

I have mostly accepted that my connection is crap, and I try to do my bit to reduce congestion during peak times. But if Tim is correct, and chorus has done something that made our connection worse, I think that's unacceptable.

Chorus wouldn't do anything intentionally to make a connection worse. Assuming that is ludicrous.
BTW.. RBI has a high powered aerial and using a cell phone to gauge reception is bad. It's on a different level.

The company I work for says similar things to customers (you're wrong, it's a different product, that's not how it works). I say, if you don't actually tell people, you can't expect them to know.

Either way, I wont be paying substantially more for substantially less. If mobile based internet was my only option, I'd go without.

Edit: I'm certainly nit accusing Chorus of intentionally making things worse.
If your connection suddenly got worse, you'd be up in arms too, and you'd still be getting more than Outram can.

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#1065197 13-Jun-2014 21:00

danielfaulknor: Have a chat with WIC who are the local WISP.
I just asked them and tt seems they may be able to help out with some faster internet!
https://twitter.com/wicnz/status/477370137876504580
www.wic.co.nz or @wicnz on twitter

I've used WIC, I wouldn't again. The bulls*** passive aggressive approach he takes is very poor. I think its fair to say we were both glad when I was no longer a customer.

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#1065199 13-Jun-2014 21:02

stuzzo:
Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

When and where do any rural users subsidise rural users? It's the other way around..

The problem with people like Clare Curran is that she's very anti Chorus and was very vocal in terms of the misguided copper tax campaign. If you're Chorus and have to cut capex it's not going to come from areas where you make money, it's going to come in areas where you're losing it.

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#1065200 13-Jun-2014 21:02

Handle9:
stuzzo:
Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

I'm pretty sure you're going to find that rural people are getting much better subsidies per capita through RBI than City folk are on the UFB.

Most rurals get no benefit from RBI.

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#1065204 13-Jun-2014 21:09

stuzzo:
Handle9:
stuzzo:
Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

I'm pretty sure you're going to find that rural people are getting much better subsidies per capita through RBI than City folk are on the UFB.

Most rurals get no benefit from RBI.

RBI = Rural Broadband Initiative

It only services rural areas. How can you say rural users don't get any benefit?

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#1065207 13-Jun-2014 21:15

sbiddle:
stuzzo:
Handle9:
stuzzo:
Inphinity:
NZtimbo: You're lucky Chorus have given you an option, $45k, find out what you'd get for that and if it's new Backhaul and ADSL2/VDSL2 go for it. We had no offer as it would be quite a bit more which is why they won't just upgrade our exchange as there is no business case for them, plenty of social case...

Not to sound negative, but.. Chorus are a business, not a charity. If it does not make financial sense, then you're unlikely to get anywhere. This is why government and council entities need to perhaps be more involved in subsidising the cost for providers to bring these services to some communities.

If this Clare Curran is your local MP, perhaps rather than writing to for-profit corporates and going "Please lose money here", they would perhaps be better organising some deal whereby some portion of the up-front cost is subsidised, such that it does become financially viable to proceed.

So rural people subsidizing UFB for cities is ok?

I'm pretty sure you're going to find that rural people are getting much better subsidies per capita through RBI than City folk are on the UFB.

Most rurals get no benefit from RBI.

RBI = Rural Broadband Initiative

It only services rural areas. How can you say rural users don't get any benefit?

Read the post. I said MOST rurals get no benefit.

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#1065208 13-Jun-2014 21:17

How do you figure that? If going from 20% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better to 86% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better isn't "most" then what is?

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#1065210 13-Jun-2014 21:20

Er All...

Awesome feedback and comments keep them coming.

I fully agree Chorus is a business and have shareholders to appease, can't have shareholders upset can we. Oops too late poor share-price. The issues started way before them with some poor monopolistic tendencies of Telecom prior to the split. Intervention and regulation has opened up the market for more ISP's, but they have their hands tied in our case.

Outram isn't in the middle of nowhere, the soon to be upgraded cabinet on Cranton Road is in the middle of nowhere with just 10 houses within 800m getting VDSL2, awesome. Outram isn't even 10 minutes from Mosgiel where the is a full UFB upgrade happening.

Chorus ran a new fibre through town directly past the exchange, as in not even 10m to the footpath, to the school, handy.

I'd be happy to pay more, we effectively already are as our exchange was never unbundled and therefore we don't get ISP discounts where they have deployed their own gear. The new Boost HD and Boost VDSL won't be available here, I'd be happy to pay the extra fee if it got rid of the congestion.

I've not found anyone in town with Wireless RBI and yes cellphone reception is not a good indication compared to having a yagi on the roof, but once again costs/caps are not family friendly so not a current option, and won't be for some time to come. The MBIE website quotes "prices and levels of service comparable with urban areas" er sorry they aren't. If Vodafone would like to come and demonstrate how good it is by all means PM me.

We recently had an almost day long power-cut some weeks ago, I found an extra battery for my UPS so powered up the modem and wifi router for some di.fm... also done a couple of speed tests for kicks, gosh astonishment, about as poor as they normally are, so it's not entirely the residents in Outram causing our issues. There used to be many more handover points now theres only two, never used to have congestion, now we do, mmm, could be too simple a 1+1=2...

If another Wireless provider can come up with a costed solution for us as a representative of the Outram Charitable Trust I'd welcome it and table it at our next meeting.

Tim

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#1065211 13-Jun-2014 21:23

Handle9: How do you figure that? If going from 20% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better to 86% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better isn't "most" then what is?

Because most rurals live close to cities, most of which would be in towns or areas of similar popoulation densities to cities and were already covered by broadband services before RBI was a glimmer in the eye of a politician.

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#1065213 13-Jun-2014 21:28

stuzzo:
Handle9: How do you figure that? If going from 20% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better to 86% of rural houses having access to 5Mb or better isn't "most" then what is?

Because most rurals live close to cities, most of which would be in towns or areas of similar popoulation densities to cities and were already covered by broadband services before RBI was a glimmer in the eye of a politician.

I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying correctly but the way Im reading your argument is that most rural people aren't actually rural? I don't know that you are making much sense.

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