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#1111591 19-Aug-2014 20:27

LOL! Always RBI...wait, that's no good.

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#1111599 19-Aug-2014 20:34

sbiddle:
hio77:
While its clear, the cap is the limit in that household, that sort of load on RBI wireless would be pretty heavy.. and clearly not an option. if this connection was on a conklin, ild feel very sorry for anyone living near them..

And as I keep posting like a stuck record on here - if people have an issue with RBI wireless caps they need to be taking their concerns to MBIE and the Commerce Commission as it's a regulated offering.

Considering how many times I've replied with this to people on here, and the lack of any response from said people, I can only assume that people aren't seeing this as the bit issue they're making it out to be.

Nope, more a feeling that in a country where and 87% referendum is totally ignored(!) my voice is wasted trying to protest. People in power do as they will, consumers only real vote here seems to be with their feet/wallet.

*edited for autocorrect errors

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#1111603 19-Aug-2014 20:47

Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

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#1111630 19-Aug-2014 21:36

quickymart: Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

internet through lead pipes IIRC ;)

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#1111639 19-Aug-2014 21:48

hio77:
quickymart: Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

internet through lead pipes IIRC ;)

Maybe hasnt got a petition to change them to wifi pipes.
Would hate to see xDSL over lead. Might get 1kbps at 1cm of cable.

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#1113137 21-Aug-2014 20:17

Hi All

I've been in a pit due to previous issues, see my DIY post for what I'm now loosing... I've got a renter sorted here in Outram so not moving away from this great community yet.

While various fibre feed cabinets around Outram are getting upgraded as part of the RBI (DSL) program and one on Granten Road has 10 yes 10 homes within 800m who might just might (probably won't) upgrade to VDSL and get 20-30 times our evening speeds our fibre feed exchange in the middle of town is not being upgraded as Outram is outside the RBI (DSL) program area. If the township were included in the RBI (DSL) upgrade program there would be 282 dwellings that could upgrade if they chose to VDSL even if 10% did that's more than a back country road (no disrespect intended) with 10 homes spread around a cabinet.

As has been said before, like a broken record by some, Wireless RBI is the solution. In it's current form it's rubbish. Speed, pricing and caps are not family friendly for modern Internet usage. Origin had Battlefield 4 for freeplay last week, 25G download that took a friend around 2 hours took me 18 hours, he could have walked to Harvey Norman bought a USB stick walked back to his place copied the files and walked to Outram from St Kilda in less time than it took me to download the games files. We now know for a fact that the Internet here is slower than walking. I managed to get a Lightbox demo login, absolutely great service with may programs I'd love to watch, but alas, in the evening when I want to I can't due to the congestion so I'm terribly sorry I won't be subscribing to the service.

While I've stepped back a bit to get more important things in my life sorted I am still keen on meeting Chorus face to face (which they have committed to) and am currently finishing off a detailed submission for my petition that was received by the Commerce Committee the other week. Looking at the ComCom website there is plenty more about the new Chorus UBA offerings that is a good read.

We still suffer bad congestion which when we pay for a FS/FS service is unacceptable "going forward".

Tim

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#1113141 21-Aug-2014 20:26

Hi Tim,

As explained again those cabinets are on the way to the exchange and fed before the exchange. Your exchange is on the end of the loop. Chorus would have had a justifyable reason to spend $10,000's upgrading them. But we dont need to worry about those, its beyond the point.
You are getting what you are paying for, its FS/FS service.

Speak with the commcomm about the RBI current pricing plans.

Cheers

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#1113179 21-Aug-2014 22:15

TimA: Hi Tim,

As explained again those cabinets are on the way to the exchange and fed before the exchange. Your exchange is on the end of the loop. Chorus would have had a justifyable reason to spend $10,000's upgrading them. But we dont need to worry about those, its beyond the point.
You are getting what you are paying for, its FS/FS service.

Speak with the commcomm about the RBI current pricing plans.

Cheers

Wouldn't Chorus being loosing $100,000's in the long run if RBI became more affordable and everyone in Outram or other parts of the country where xDSL is poor moved to RBI?

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#1113180 21-Aug-2014 22:17

darkasdes2:
TimA: Hi Tim,

As explained again those cabinets are on the way to the exchange and fed before the exchange. Your exchange is on the end of the loop. Chorus would have had a justifyable reason to spend $10,000's upgrading them. But we dont need to worry about those, its beyond the point.
You are getting what you are paying for, its FS/FS service.

Speak with the commcomm about the RBI current pricing plans.

Cheers

Wouldn't Chorus being loosing $100,000's in the long run if RBI became more affordable and everyone in Outram or other parts of the country where xDSL is poor moved to RBI?

Chorus would also be loosing 10,000,000's of dollars upgrading existing equipment further too. The line is drawn somewhere. (millions being on a country scale. The loss upgrading Outram would FAR outweigh any gain.)

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#1113213 22-Aug-2014 07:08

hio77:
quickymart: Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

internet through lead pipes IIRC ;)

I'm in a 'Coastal Village' in Franklin (now far southern Auckland) on the end of 4.7km of copper, Adsl connection of just on 1mb/s.... From a fibre fed cabinet, thanks to the Glenbrook Steel Mill which is fibre fed from there too. So my issue isn't backbone, but distance of copper :(

Switching from VF ADSL to RBI just doesn't make sense when the xDSL $100 buys me 150gb($5 more would be unlimited but wouldn't make a difference at my speed) a landline and 5 'beast mate' free call numbers to the city (SWMBO's family)

Getting decent speed for only 15Gb of data, which would get flattened SO fast, RBI is only a 'grandfathered' plan at its current cap, and no company seems to care to change from the minimum required there yet :(

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#1113215 22-Aug-2014 07:24

darkasdes2:
TimA: Hi Tim,

As explained again those cabinets are on the way to the exchange and fed before the exchange. Your exchange is on the end of the loop. Chorus would have had a justifyable reason to spend $10,000's upgrading them. But we dont need to worry about those, its beyond the point.
You are getting what you are paying for, its FS/FS service.

Speak with the commcomm about the RBI current pricing plans.

Cheers

Wouldn't Chorus being loosing $100,000's in the long run if RBI became more affordable and everyone in Outram or other parts of the country where xDSL is poor moved to RBI?

Except for the small point that wireless RBI is the replacement for xDSL in many areas where upgrading xDSL isn't cost effective.

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#1113246 22-Aug-2014 08:34

For those whose biggest issue with RBI wireless is the data cap, some providers like Farmside, as far as I'm aware, offer extra data packs. No, they're not the same price as for DSL, but the reality is that in some cases, that's a cost of living In The Middle Of Nowhere. As has been recommended, contact MED and the ComCom to highlight the issue - if enough people do, they may make changes to the requirements. Beyond that, if you can come up with a commercially-viable solution for the community to work with the likes of Chorus or other local providers, then you may also have some success going that route. Maybe the community can approach a local wireless provider and collectively negotiate a 100GB cap or something instead of the 15 - 50 that is common for these solutions. I realise that it's frustrating to not be able to get great internet connectivity, and it's good to have some outlet to voice the upset in an informal way, but if it's not raised in a formal way, with viable solutions proposed through the right channels, it's unlikely to change.

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#1113662 22-Aug-2014 19:12

PhantomNVD:
hio77:
quickymart: Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

internet through lead pipes IIRC ;)

I'm in a 'Coastal Village' in Franklin (now far southern Auckland) on the end of 4.7km of copper, Adsl connection of just on 1mb/s.... From a fibre fed cabinet, thanks to the Glenbrook Steel Mill which is fibre fed from there too. So my issue isn't backbone, but distance of copper :(

The physical length of copper from my rural exchange to my house is also 4.7km, but my modern syncs around 3500Kbps.

Your speed does seem slow given the same distance. My exchange is ADSL2+, don't know if that makes a difference?

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#1113665 22-Aug-2014 19:14

Dynamike:
PhantomNVD:
hio77:
quickymart: Where are you based Phantom? What broadband options are available?

internet through lead pipes IIRC ;)

I'm in a 'Coastal Village' in Franklin (now far southern Auckland) on the end of 4.7km of copper, Adsl connection of just on 1mb/s.... From a fibre fed cabinet, thanks to the Glenbrook Steel Mill which is fibre fed from there too. So my issue isn't backbone, but distance of copper :(

The physical length of copper from my rural exchange to my house is also 4.7km, but my modern syncs around 3500Kbps.

Your speed does seem slow given the same distance. My exchange is ADSL2+, don't know if that makes a difference?

Quality of copper, line profile and crosstalk/interference... electric fences... ild say.

about equal length line on a rural line i look after, 5 years ago, it was 3.5mbit strong, now its down to 1~1.9mbit - with a filter etc. (cable travels right past everything however unlike it normally would.)

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#1113667 22-Aug-2014 19:16

Conklin?

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