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  #1078780 2-Jul-2014 17:16
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AidanS:
Why would you think internet prices were going to go down?


Maybe he was hoping the internet party would take parliament and give everyone half price internet...? ;).

-A


Hmm,

Good idea. Lets just make the ISP market worthless and ruin business. I suppose they have not realized Chorus is a business like, Enable networks and NorthPower Fibre and they set the price. Not some slob who expects everything to just happen?

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  #1078784 2-Jul-2014 17:21
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All this vitirol over someone asking a reasonable question.

It's a little over the top. Most people don't understand the difference between what Chorus offer and what RSP's offer. 

A simple answer like "There is usually a delay between Chorus offering new plans and RSP's making use of them" would have been far more appropriate surely?




 
 
 
 


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  #1078790 2-Jul-2014 17:43
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johnr: Chorus is a wholesale provider what are you expecting to change tomorrow?

All of a sudden retail plans are changed over night?



John, appreciate that things take time and changing to new plans costs RSPs money, but Chorus has been consulting on these plans for the last two months, so they haven't come out of the blue,  and the VF CEO was really keen for faster entry level plans, as evidenced here:  http://www.vodafone.co.nz/press-release/dont-slow-down-on-speed-talks-says-vodafone/

Anyway, when do you think VF will retail these plans? "Not over night" provides some information - anymore at this stage? 

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  #1078791 2-Jul-2014 17:48
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networkn: All this vitirol over someone asking a reasonable question.

It's a little over the top. Most people don't understand the difference between what Chorus offer and what RSP's offer. 

A simple answer like "There is usually a delay between Chorus offering new plans and RSP's making use of them" would have been far more appropriate surely?





This is far too true. I would have imagined, given there's been a few months for RSPs to consider the plan changes and pricing, that there would be a small window of testing or such upon release, but I wouldn't think it unreasonable to expect plans to be available within, say, 6 - 8 weeks of Chorus making them available wholesale, surely?

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  #1078792 2-Jul-2014 17:49
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johnr: Chorus is a wholesale provider what are you expecting to change tomorrow?

All of a sudden retail plans are changed over night?



John, appreciate that things take time and changing to new plans costs RSPs money, but Chorus has been consulting on these plans for the last two months, so they haven't come out of the blue,  and the VF CEO was really keen for faster entry level plans, as evidenced here:  http://www.vodafone.co.nz/press-release/dont-slow-down-on-speed-talks-says-vodafone/

Anyway, when do you think VF will retail these plans? "Not over night" provides some information - anymore at this stage? 


It's very unlikely larger ISP's will release that information until right before they are available. Occasionally VERY small ISP's will. If VF said "15th of August" then Telecom would spring forth and release on the 10th, and vica versa. 



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  #1078794 2-Jul-2014 17:51
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networkn: All this vitirol over someone asking a reasonable question.

It's a little over the top. Most people don't understand the difference between what Chorus offer and what RSP's offer. 

A simple answer like "There is usually a delay between Chorus offering new plans and RSP's making use of them" would have been far more appropriate surely?





This is far too true. I would have imagined, given there's been a few months for RSPs to consider the plan changes and pricing, that there would be a small window of testing or such upon release, but I wouldn't think it unreasonable to expect plans to be available within, say, 6 - 8 weeks of Chorus making them available wholesale, surely?


Considering all the big players only very recently moved to "unlimited" plans quite recently, I'd imagine it would good for the marketing to stretch that out a little bit so you can have xmas presents 5 times a year rather than 5 all at once and nothing for a year. You know how demanding consumers can be. 

All of this speaks nothing to the fact that these things are relatively difficult to manage from a technical perspective with billing, and infrastructure changes being required as well.

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  #1078795 2-Jul-2014 17:53
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Oh ha ha, I guess I'm the butt of this joke. I guess extrapolating historical trends in broadband prices in NZ over the last decade to cover the next decade is "expecting things to just happen". Prices decrease, the tech becomes cheaper and replaced with better stuff at the previous price point. 10GPON is real and deployed in some places. Yet in NZ, Fibre wholesale prices are slated to go up.

Ask a legitimate question on Geekzone or /r/newzealand, get attacked with sarcasm. Is assuming good faith really that hard?

 
 
 
 


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  #1078799 2-Jul-2014 18:02
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ripdog: Oh ha ha, I guess I'm the butt of this joke. I guess extrapolating historical trends in broadband prices in NZ over the last decade to cover the next decade is "expecting things to just happen". Prices decrease, the tech becomes cheaper and replaced with better stuff at the previous price point. 10GPON is real and deployed in some places. Yet in NZ, Fibre wholesale prices are slated to go up.

Ask a legitimate question on Geekzone or /r/newzealand, get attacked with sarcasm. Is assuming good faith really that hard?


Sounds like you need a hug  (((((Ripdog))))

And that wasn't a sarcastic hug either, I went in close for the real thing. 



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  #1078819 2-Jul-2014 19:01
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but Chorus has been consulting on these plans for the last two months, so they haven't come out of the blue,


Fair to say they've been "around" for even 8 months+ (Re: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9316329/Chorus-agrees-to-new-UFB-plans), which I fel validates my question even more as it could be expected to have new plans releeased within a matter of days following the launch of these new plans.

Oh ha ha, I guess I'm the butt of this joke.


My reply was targeted at mocking the internet party rather than at your response. I agree that it could be possible for internet prices to drop as the network capital costs reduce and costs to run the technology may decrease.

-A.



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  #1079116 3-Jul-2014 09:04
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Something else to consider when looking at when RSP plans will change is that there are 4 local fiber companies.  If the RSP is serving areas not covered by Chorus then they will likely be wanting to wait until the other local fiber companies are also offering those plans.  It would likely not be a good experience for customers to be told that they could not get the plan they want as they are connected by Enable, Northpower, or UFF.

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Pinkfish: Something else to consider when looking at when RSP plans will change is that there are 4 local fiber companies.  If the RSP is serving areas not covered by Chorus then they will likely be wanting to wait until the other local fiber companies are also offering those plans.  It would likely not be a good experience for customers to be told that they could not get the plan they want as they are connected by Enable, Northpower, or UFF.


How is that significantly different from only offering, say, cable or VDSL plans in areas they are available?

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  #1079150 3-Jul-2014 09:47
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Pinkfish: Something else to consider when looking at when RSP plans will change is that there are 4 local fiber companies.  If the RSP is serving areas not covered by Chorus then they will likely be wanting to wait until the other local fiber companies are also offering those plans.  It would likely not be a good experience for customers to be told that they could not get the plan they want as they are connected by Enable, Northpower, or UFF.


How is that significantly different from only offering, say, cable or VDSL plans in areas they are available?


Customer will have to understand its on a different network provider and not theirs.
=ENDS=



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#1079169 3-Jul-2014 09:59
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Customer will have to understand its on a different network provider and not theirs.
=ENDS=


The customer is ALWAYS right... ;).

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  #1079202 3-Jul-2014 10:25
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Customer will have to understand its on a different network provider and not theirs.
=ENDS=


The customer is ALWAYS right... ;).

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Not when they are wrong.


^ To an extent yes, We all know the saying.


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  #1079252 3-Jul-2014 11:12
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Inphinity:
Pinkfish: Something else to consider when looking at when RSP plans will change is that there are 4 local fiber companies.  If the RSP is serving areas not covered by Chorus then they will likely be wanting to wait until the other local fiber companies are also offering those plans.  It would likely not be a good experience for customers to be told that they could not get the plan they want as they are connected by Enable, Northpower, or UFF.


How is that significantly different from only offering, say, cable or VDSL plans in areas they are available?


Customer will have to understand its on a different network provider and not theirs.
=ENDS=


I still don't see it being significantly different. For example, some ISPs (VF included) offer 200Mbps fibre, but only in selected areas. Surely if "only in selected areas" can be handled for one fibre plan, it can be handled the same way for several fibre plans?

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