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  Reply # 1079135 3-Jul-2014 09:21
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richms: First world problems.

Very much this.

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  Reply # 1079140 3-Jul-2014 09:35
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starcub:
Thanks for your reminder though, I will be careful when dealing with monopoly. wink




This has nothing to do with being a monopoly, it has everything to do with the economics.

At the end of the day why should an infrastructure provider absorb all the costs for excessively complex installs? You don't get gas installed and find them rock up and give you a free $5000 install.

If the true average cost of $3k per premise passed and then $3k for the install were passed on to the end customer then nobody would take up fibre, but why should funds from the install pool be taken up solely on complex installs? I don't think that's fair.







 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1079152 3-Jul-2014 09:50
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sbiddle:
starcub:
Thanks for your reminder though, I will be careful when dealing with monopoly. wink




This has nothing to do with being a monopoly, it has everything to do with the economics.

At the end of the day why should an infrastructure provider absorb all the costs for excessively complex installs? You don't get gas installed and find them rock up and give you a free $5000 install.

If the true average cost of $3k per premise passed and then $3k for the install were passed on to the end customer then nobody would take up fibre, but why should funds from the install pool be taken up solely on complex installs? I don't think that's fair.





The thing is I don't think my property is a complex install. It is very common situation for properties with shared driveway and the driveway is only ~40M.

Why can Chorus trench up to 200M not my 40M common case driveway?

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sbiddle:
starcub:
Thanks for your reminder though, I will be careful when dealing with monopoly. wink




If the true average cost of $3k per premise passed and then $3k for the install were passed on to the end customer then nobody would take up fibre, but why should funds from the install pool be taken up solely on complex installs? I don't think that's fair.



Not fair to any of us looking forward to 2019...
@OP, I doubt Chorus will come back and alter the current lead in.
If you have a problem with it, Go out get a contractor to bore a hole and lay conduit to Chorus spec.
Your install (Though it could be nice) is fine. Given you have a small passage way only covered by concrete this is by far the most cost effective way.

 

The thing is I don't think my property is a complex install. It is very common situation for properties with shared driveway and the driveway is only ~40M. 

Why can Chorus trench up to 200M not my 40M common case driveway?


Im not too sure if you are an civil engineer but not best to make assumptions on what might be complex or not.
Sure 200m of grass would be fine. I doubt 200m would be bored. Thats just not economical.

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  Reply # 1079176 3-Jul-2014 10:12
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Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead.  I have a suggestion for Chorus to save money:  After scoping out the site offer the property owner the chance to do the job themselves, just supply them with a suitable length of fibre cable, the ONT and misc materials such as square and round conduit.  Have the tech visit just to terminate the ends, would take less than an hour.

This is an 80 year old hardwood door frame.  Does no one know how to prevent splintering anymore?



Not sure why the conduit ends were not mitred at 45 degrees to provide a neat interface - the internal bend radius is the same as the corner bend in the next pic.



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  Reply # 1079180 3-Jul-2014 10:17
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starcub:

The thing is I don't think my property is a complex install. It is very common situation for properties with shared driveway and the driveway is only ~40M.

Why can Chorus trench up to 200M not my 40M common case driveway?


Its all due to cost, a 40 meter concrete driveway is going to cost allot more to dig/lay/fill/repair than a 200 meter gravel driveway.
Especially horizontal thrusting witch can cost more than $1500 per meter to drill even 20 meters in a direct line can cost allot.... although my prices might be well outdated it may have dropped in price a little.




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  Reply # 1079211 3-Jul-2014 10:39
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KiwiME: Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead.  I have a suggestion for Chorus to save money:  After scoping out the site offer the property owner the chance to do the job themselves, just supply them with a suitable length of fibre cable, the ONT and misc materials such as square and round conduit.  Have the tech visit just to terminate the ends, would take less than an hour.

This is an 80 year old hardwood door frame.  Does no one know how to prevent splintering anymore?



Not sure why the conduit ends were not mitred at 45 degrees to provide a neat interface - the internal bend radius is the same as the corner bend in the next pic.




That is completely unacceptable work, you should get them back to make good. Unbelievable







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  Reply # 1079233 3-Jul-2014 10:50
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KiwiME: Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead.  I have a suggestion for Chorus to save money:  After scoping out the site offer the property owner the chance to do the job themselves, just supply them with a suitable length of fibre cable, the ONT and misc materials such as square and round conduit.  Have the tech visit just to terminate the ends, would take less than an hour.

This is an 80 year old hardwood door frame.  Does no one know how to prevent splintering anymore?


Not sure why the conduit ends were not mitred at 45 degrees to provide a neat interface - the internal bend radius is the same as the corner bend in the next pic.






This looks horrible. Is this internal or external?

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  Reply # 1079244 3-Jul-2014 11:03
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KiwiNZ:
KiwiME: Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead.  I have a suggestion for Chorus to save money:  After scoping out the site offer the property owner the chance to do the job themselves, just supply them with a suitable length of fibre cable, the ONT and misc materials such as square and round conduit.  Have the tech visit just to terminate the ends, would take less than an hour.

This is an 80 year old hardwood door frame.  Does no one know how to prevent splintering anymore?



Not sure why the conduit ends were not mitred at 45 degrees to provide a neat interface - the internal bend radius is the same as the corner bend in the next pic.




That is completely unacceptable work, you should get them back to make good. Unbelievable





Thats not pretty.
Definitely not discrete nor returned to previous state..

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  Reply # 1079263 3-Jul-2014 11:29
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KiwiME: Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead.


No Craftmanship isnt dead  

Can you PM me the location and details of you job and Ill also pass this on the the Downer QA team

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  Reply # 1079311 3-Jul-2014 12:53
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This is common for a concrete driveway the way yours is - reason why chorus proberly hasnt elected for a horizontal drill is that no sub contractor that does drilling would ever touch that as services cant be located and far to risky for this reason

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  Reply # 1079326 3-Jul-2014 13:22
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KiwiNZ:
KiwiME: Clearly 20th century craftsmanship is dead...


That is completely unacceptable work, you should get them back to make good. Unbelievable



Thanks all for comments, I'm not sure what the acceptable trade standard is these days.

Despite all the visits and planning I knew that in the end the quality all comes down to the guys that show up to do the work.  I have to wonder if it would be better to have a senior guy on hand while the work is carried out rather than him visiting beforehand and writing up a plan on his tablet that will never be followed.


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  Reply # 1079470 3-Jul-2014 16:28
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I think that Chorus (or whoever is subbing the work) should let the client know (approx) how much extra a custom install such as having to cut a strip out of a driveway will cost.

The client could then make an informed choice if they want to pay towards such an installation.

I'm going to run my own underground conduit for a possible future UFB install at my house.

I did all the donkey work (drilling holes and running conduits) for the heat pump installer guy before we got one put in. Saved quite a bit of $$$.




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DarthKermit: I think that Chorus (or whoever is subbing the work) should let the client know (approx) how much extra a custom install such as having to cut a strip out of a driveway will cost.

The client could then make an informed choice if they want to pay towards such an installation.

I'm going to run my own underground conduit for a possible future UFB install at my house.

I did all the donkey work (drilling holes and running conduits) for the heat pump installer guy before we got one put in. Saved quite a bit of $$$.


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  Reply # 1079488 3-Jul-2014 16:41
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My question is who pays for new install if someone hits the driveway conduit and breaks the fibre? The owner, fibre company or insurance?

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