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  Reply # 1079690 3-Jul-2014 23:40
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The thing is aren't there any standards that are written down? 

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kornflake: bet chorus are still making a profit, so why do they care about the workmanship.


Chorus is making huge profits, its the tech that are going onto codes and getting paid a set rate that need to get the job done fast otherwise the longer the install takes the lower rate they get over and above the rate time. they might get $100 per install so they need to do 3 installs plus a day but if they get stuck on one for 8 hours then its hardly worth it. 

 
 
 
 


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kornflake: bet chorus are still making a profit, so why do they care about the workmanship.


What is this profit you speak of? UFB is costing them somewhere in the vicinity of $1.5 - $2 billion more than they predicted.



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kornflake: bet chorus are still making a profit, so why do they care about the workmanship.


What is this profit you speak of? UFB is costing them somewhere in the vicinity of $1.5 - $2 billion more than they predicted.




Well they had a bottom line last fiscal year of around $170million and the interim six months for fiscal 2014 of around $78 million. Granted not huge given return on investment but still a healthy bottom line.




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mailmarshall: My question is who pays for new install if someone hits the driveway conduit and breaks the fibre? The owner, fibre company or insurance?


Chorus would... its their responsibility up to the demarcation point which i think is the ETP?
However if the fence is damaged by a person, they will try to reclaim the repair cost from that person and their insurance company (just like they do if a car hits a piece of their network)




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Another update.

The contractor came back said they received complaint and will put the cable underground.  I wasn't home (my wife was) so they will come back on Monday to give me a few options how I would like it done. So far so good. :)



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mailmarshall: My question is who pays for new install if someone hits the driveway conduit and breaks the fibre? The owner, fibre company or insurance?


Chorus would... its their responsibility up to the demarcation point which i think is the ETP?
However if the fence is damaged by a person, they will try to reclaim the repair cost from that person and their insurance company (just like they do if a car hits a piece of their network)

I'd say if they didn't get permission to attach it to the fence, they'd have no claim.

I'm glad there's been a positive result at the end of it. I'd hate to think this kind of thing (poor workmanship and no consultation) was actually acceptable.




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starcub: Another update.

The contractor came back said they received complaint and will put the cable underground.  I wasn't home (my wife was) so they will come back on Monday to give me a few options how I would like it done. So far so good. :)




I chuckled when i saw this, Inevitable given the response from it :)

Thats great news, I personally think it would have been a more robust option as stated above with every possible circumstance + godzilla.


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  Reply # 1081198 4-Jul-2014 20:42
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chevrolux: This whole UFB network is really going to sh1t.

This latest form of "install" is just absolute madness. While it hasn't been uncommon in the past to put things on the fence it has never been a truly "accepted" form of installation. It just leaves it open to so much more abuse! They stopped putting in pillars for fibre (good move!) and yet now they pop out of the ground and run along a fence.

The other way they are doing installs now are with "rugged" microduct that only has to be buried 200-300mm. That's barely a spade depth!! That is taking things back to the way 049's were installed 30 years ago - just push your shovel in and slide the cable down the back. Like come on, someone will go and re-dig their garden and rip up a fibre!!

As for internal installations, things are going to be much much worse when the contractors get shifted to a code based payment scheme rather than the current charge-up one. UFB installers will take on the "Sky TV standard" of just get it done as fast as possible and who cares what it looks like.


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I understand that some installs are going to cost more than Chorus predicted but I am sure there a lot of installs that cost well below what they have predicted for as well.   


Swings & Round-a-bouts.

A simple POTS line is the best example. The contractor gets paid $50 (ish) whether you simply run a jumper in the exchange or if you jumper the excahnge, jumper in cabinet, connect in DP, install jackpoint in the house. 
How often do you have to do the whole hog?.... one in 10. So for every install that takes 5 minutes there is one that takes 2 hours. Meh. It's just how it works.

Yes Chorus are spending some horrific amounts of money on civil contractors but they are also getting some very easy installs most of the time.

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chevrolux:
darkasdes2:
chevrolux: This whole UFB network is really going to sh1t.

This latest form of "install" is just absolute madness. While it hasn't been uncommon in the past to put things on the fence it has never been a truly "accepted" form of installation. It just leaves it open to so much more abuse! They stopped putting in pillars for fibre (good move!) and yet now they pop out of the ground and run along a fence.

The other way they are doing installs now are with "rugged" microduct that only has to be buried 200-300mm. That's barely a spade depth!! That is taking things back to the way 049's were installed 30 years ago - just push your shovel in and slide the cable down the back. Like come on, someone will go and re-dig their garden and rip up a fibre!!

As for internal installations, things are going to be much much worse when the contractors get shifted to a code based payment scheme rather than the current charge-up one. UFB installers will take on the "Sky TV standard" of just get it done as fast as possible and who cares what it looks like.


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I understand that some installs are going to cost more than Chorus predicted but I am sure there a lot of installs that cost well below what they have predicted for as well.   


Swings & Round-a-bouts.

A simple POTS line is the best example. The contractor gets paid $50 (ish) whether you simply run a jumper in the exchange or if you jumper the excahnge, jumper in cabinet, connect in DP, install jackpoint in the house. 
How often do you have to do the whole hog?.... one in 10. So for every install that takes 5 minutes there is one that takes 2 hours. Meh. It's just how it works.

Yes Chorus are spending some horrific amounts of money on civil contractors but they are also getting some very easy installs most of the time.


Right, but you get some Chorus contractors like one poor guy in my area that gets loaded up with a mixture of 10+ 'simple jobs' + installs covering the span of rural nor-west Auckland (generalised distance between two jobs seemed to be in excess of 40km!).  For the record, this particular contractor has attended our property twice in the last 10 years, and I'd say one of the best in the area, just from what I gather when he gets scheduled to receive jobs out this way instead of urban jobs, they forget to factor in travel time.

My point is, a contractor's profits from performing easy jobs can quickly disappear if they have to play catch-up because of over scheduling/bad luck of the scheduling draw one or two weeks.

That said, I'm not sure there really is a comparison here, we are discussing jobs that have fixed fees to customers (either ISPs/RSPs/End Users) and likely get sorted out via internal billing with Chorus for parts used in a job,  and fibre installations which pretty much solely rely on the former and I'd hazard a guess have dedicated sets of contractors at the moment at Chorus using the later method of bulk-billing for components used during installations.

Personally, at the end of the day I doubt the (in)efficiency of a copper Chorus tech has anything to do with the costs/(in)efficiency of a fibre Chorus tech at this stage.

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The guys that did my fibre install were sent from Hamilton to my place in North Shore Auckland. They arrived at approx 4.30 on a friday as 1 of the other jobs that day took longer than expected. I did what I could to make the job easier / quicker for them. But it still took at least 3 hours to do. driveway was about 60m long but they were able to reuse existing conduit. Only had to dig up 1 elbow that was only buried approx 100mm deep.

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