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  #1100293 1-Aug-2014 20:15
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JEDENZED: So UFF who deployed fibre here in Hamilton recently announced making a 1Gbps residential service to retail service providers at a wholesale price of $65 p/m fixed until 2020.

Can anyone report if there are any trials underway using this infrastructure? Also, any ideas what $65 wholesale is likely to translate to for end user residential customers?
That's cheap! is that for unlimited? 


$65 is the wholesale cost for the layer 2 fibre connection from the customer to the ISP handover. It's not really limited or unlimited, it's merely a layer 2 pipe.

An ISP then has to add all of their bandwidth and backend costs on top of this to build a retail price, so based on current pricing in the market and looking at costs expect to be somewhere in the sort of price point I posted above.


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  #1100327 1-Aug-2014 22:12
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JEDENZED: So UFF who deployed fibre here in Hamilton recently announced making a 1Gbps residential service to retail service providers at a wholesale price of $65 p/m fixed until 2020.

Can anyone report if there are any trials underway using this infrastructure? Also, any ideas what $65 wholesale is likely to translate to for end user residential customers?
That's cheap! is that for unlimited? 


$65 is the wholesale cost for the layer 2 fibre connection from the customer to the ISP handover. It's not really limited or unlimited, it's merely a layer 2 pipe.

An ISP then has to add all of their bandwidth and backend costs on top of this to build a retail price, so based on current pricing in the market and looking at costs expect to be somewhere in the sort of price point I posted above.

Oh that's a shame, I was getting excited there!

 
 
 
 


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  #1100328 1-Aug-2014 22:14
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Ah, geekzone. Land of the smartass comments, dripping with condescension. Do tell us more about how the unwashed masses don't deserve and will never use a gigabit pipe.

In reality, capacity drives innovation. Did skype appear during the dial up era, waiting for people to get DSL so it would work? No, people got DSL and *then* skype appeared. Currently, you're right - no commercial services (aimed at residential) will fill a 100mbit pipe. Why? Because the average person doesn't have 100mbit yet. The market isn't big enough, so the innovation isn't there yet. Gigabit is the same thing. It could allow all sorts of awesome things to happen. They won't until there's a market, of course.

I applaud UFF for pushing the bar. NZ is now unusually well positioned to become a leading average internet speed nation - up there with the likes of Japan and South Korea. Pushing speeds forward will spur competition amoungst LFCs, ISPs, and web services. I look forward to see what is possible when gigabit connections are commonplace, and I will jump at the chance to upgrade. I hope other geekzoners in UFF areas will join me - uptake numbers mean things!

sbiddle: Full Flavour Media is targeting $129 for their gigabit service. This isn't a business grade connection...

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  #1100347 1-Aug-2014 22:58
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ripdog: Ah, geekzone. Land of the smartass comments, dripping with condescension. Do tell us more about how the unwashed masses don't deserve and will never use a gigabit pipe.

In reality, capacity drives innovation. .....

sbiddle: Full Flavour Media is targeting $129 for their gigabit service. This isn't a business grade connection...


OK, happy to ;) 

I have no problem being 'left behind' with a 100Mbps service that actually delivers that consistently, over a 1Gbps service with a tiny CIR and sky-high EIR designed by the marketing department.

Don't get me wrong, 1Gbps burst would be nice, but right now and probably for the next few years there won't be any res services requiring >100Mbps to function. Obviously in time that'll change.



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ripdog: Ah, geekzone. Land of the smartass comments, dripping with condescension. Do tell us more about how the unwashed masses don't deserve and will never use a gigabit pipe.

In reality, capacity drives innovation. .....

sbiddle: Full Flavour Media is targeting $129 for their gigabit service. This isn't a business grade connection...


OK, happy to ;) 

I have no problem being 'left behind' with a 100Mbps service that actually delivers that consistently, over a 1Gbps service with a tiny CIR and sky-high EIR designed by the marketing department.

Don't get me wrong, 1Gbps burst would be nice, but right now and probably for the next few years there won't be any res services requiring >100Mbps to function. Obviously in time that'll change.




I would rephrase it to be "baby steps". Let's get everyone on 100Mbps before we try to get them all on 1Gbps, we haven't even hit 30Mbps yet...




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  #1100353 1-Aug-2014 23:02
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1 gig will let you worry even less about the connection being saturated. The fact that no one service will ever hit the limits means you shouldnt need to mess about with QOS inorder to be able to watch youtube and have someone gaming at the same time.




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  #1100354 1-Aug-2014 23:05
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ripdog: Ah, geekzone. Land of the smartass comments, dripping with condescension. Do tell us more about how the unwashed masses don't deserve and will never use a gigabit pipe.

In reality, capacity drives innovation. .....

sbiddle: Full Flavour Media is targeting $129 for their gigabit service. This isn't a business grade connection...


OK, happy to ;) 

I have no problem being 'left behind' with a 100Mbps service that actually delivers that consistently, over a 1Gbps service with a tiny CIR and sky-high EIR designed by the marketing department.

Don't get me wrong, 1Gbps burst would be nice, but right now and probably for the next few years there won't be any res services requiring >100Mbps to function. Obviously in time that'll change.




Someone has to be first. You're happy letting the US, Europe, Japan, SK, etc be first when we could be right up there with them?

CIR doesn't matter. Current 100mbit plans have (from memory) a 2.5mbit CIR which requires tagged packets to utilize. (Am I wrong about this?) The real problem is backhaul and local contention.

There may well be problems in those areas to start with. But ADSL was crap when first introduced, and it became better, again, through people using it - and paying for it! If everyone thought like you, gigabit services will never take off in NZ, and we can all just play around with our 100/200mbit services until the government realises we're falling behind again and pours another billion into 10GPON upgrades. Early adopters improve things.



 
 
 
 


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  #1100355 1-Aug-2014 23:09
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ripdog: Ah, geekzone. Land of the smartass comments, dripping with condescension. Do tell us more about how the unwashed masses don't deserve and will never use a gigabit pipe.

In reality, capacity drives innovation. .....

sbiddle: Full Flavour Media is targeting $129 for their gigabit service. This isn't a business grade connection...


OK, happy to ;) 

I have no problem being 'left behind' with a 100Mbps service that actually delivers that consistently, over a 1Gbps service with a tiny CIR and sky-high EIR designed by the marketing department.

Don't get me wrong, 1Gbps burst would be nice, but right now and probably for the next few years there won't be any res services requiring >100Mbps to function. Obviously in time that'll change.




Someone has to be first. You're happy letting the US, Europe, Japan, SK, etc be first when we could be right up there with them?

CIR doesn't matter. Current 100mbit plans have (from memory) a 2.5mbit CIR which requires tagged packets to utilize. (Am I wrong about this?) The real problem is backhaul and local contention.

There may well be problems in those areas to start with. But ADSL was crap when first introduced, and it became better, again, through people using it - and paying for it! If everyone thought like you, gigabit services will never take off in NZ, and we can all just play around with our 100/200mbit services until the government realises we're falling behind again and pours another billion into 10GPON upgrades. Early adopters improve things.




While I don't agree that we should be trying to push out 1Gbps to everyone and that CIR doesn't matter, I do agree that the government should have gone with a better technology for fibre by utilizing 10G-EPON from the get go.




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  #1100358 1-Aug-2014 23:19
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I'm in Hamilton looking at March 2016 for fibre.. yet 50 metres away it's been available since the beginning of the year. Sigh... And I can hazard a guess 99% of customers within a square km have no idea it's available.






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  #1100359 1-Aug-2014 23:21
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Damager: I'm in Hamilton looking at March 2016 for fibre.. yet 50 metres away it's been available since the beginning of the year. Sigh... And I can hazard a guess 99% of customers within a square km have no idea it's available.




that would bother me something chronic!

dont have a friendly neighbour with LOS that you could do a deal with?





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Damager: I'm in Hamilton looking at March 2016 for fibre.. yet 50 metres away it's been available since the beginning of the year. Sigh... And I can hazard a guess 99% of customers within a square km have no idea it's available.




that would bother me something chronic!

dont have a friendly neighbour with LOS that you could do a deal with?



Not in the hood :D




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  #1100368 1-Aug-2014 23:38
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Damager:
hio77:
Damager: I'm in Hamilton looking at March 2016 for fibre.. yet 50 metres away it's been available since the beginning of the year. Sigh... And I can hazard a guess 99% of customers within a square km have no idea it's available.




that would bother me something chronic!

dont have a friendly neighbour with LOS that you could do a deal with?



Not in the hood :D


ah the "hood" right ;)




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  #1100371 1-Aug-2014 23:47
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Someone has to be first. You're happy letting the US, Europe, Japan, SK, etc be first when we could be right up there with them?

CIR doesn't matter. Current 100mbit plans have (from memory) a 2.5mbit CIR which requires tagged packets to utilize. (Am I wrong about this?) The real problem is backhaul and local contention.



I'd rather NZ not be the first country to blindly over provision res UFB tails without having, as you pointed out the backhaul in place to serve it. You only have to search geekzone for users serviced off a conklin mini DSLAM to get an idea of how frustrating it is to have an inconsistent service. That won't help uptake of high bandwidth services.

Don't get me wrong, I'm massively passionate about getting better internet access and services out to New Zealanders, it's actually what I do for a living!


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  #1100455 2-Aug-2014 08:23
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charsleysa:
While I don't agree that we should be trying to push out 1Gbps to everyone and that CIR doesn't matter, I do agree that the government should have gone with a better technology for fibre by utilizing 10G-EPON from the get go.


So you'd be happy that UFB would still be stuck in the design phase (rather than having been deployed for 3 years) and that both deployment and end user costs would be significantly higher?



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  #1100457 2-Aug-2014 08:25
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I'd rather NZ not be the first country to blindly over provision res UFB tails without having, as you pointed out the backhaul in place to serve it. You only have to search geekzone for users serviced off a conklin mini DSLAM to get an idea of how frustrating it is to have an inconsistent service. That won't help uptake of high bandwidth services.

Don't get me wrong, I'm massively passionate about getting better internet access and services out to New Zealanders, it's actually what I do for a living!



The US has already gone this long before us. Google Fiber 1Gbps is standard 2.4Ghz GPON with 32 way splitters.

 

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